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07-15-2013, 06:31 PM | #61 | |
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07-15-2013, 06:35 PM | #62 |
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This is going to be a newby comment so bare with me, (I have never been in a competition yet, next month will be first) with out knowing what the "old" sheet was I see that the new one can help you/kcbs figure out which Judge you don't want to have or that needs more training. Since you don't get to choose your table and the same Judge's don't go to all of the comps, how does this "help" you as a cook to improve with out the comment cards? I can see knowing your score can tell you what area you were good or bad in though.
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07-15-2013, 06:38 PM | #63 | |
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At past competitions I would have had many hours of hand wringing and analyzing to explain a subpar finish, but this time I could safely mark it up to landing on the wrong table.
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07-15-2013, 07:13 PM | #64 |
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As another candidate for table 5 at Wellsville I agree, it was a tough table at best. However, if we as cooks are held to a standard, then some how judges should be held to a standard of being fair in the overall scheme of things and if historically they are continually out of sync with other judges over time then they need to either be re-educated or politely taken aside and talk to about their quality standards. With that said the nearby judge or 2 time judge will still have issues but if the rep keeps them to one per table then it really doesn't matter as their potential low score will be dropped. Overall the new scoring sheet is a vast improvement...good job KCBS and everyone who took countless hours to make it happen!
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07-15-2013, 07:45 PM | #65 | |
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07-15-2013, 08:22 PM | #66 | |
Found some matches.
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The new score sheet is very revealing, judges are no longer anonymous, and names could be easily placed to tables and seat numbers by those in the judging area. My advice would be to not use Holbrook as a baseline for the new scoring system because of the low CBJ percentage. Just for the record, even with only 5 tables, the Table Captains took the time to make sure no table judged the same teams entrys twice. |
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07-15-2013, 08:26 PM | #67 |
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I like the new scoring sheets. Gives us more information.
I cooked the Greenwood contest with a very good friend who is a CMJ. In his opinion of the scores: Chicken was about right. Ribs and pork were way too low. They were very good entries just hit the dead tables. Brisket was about right. We knew it was not going to place very high even before slicing. Only time will tell if KCBS uses the results to improve judging. |
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07-15-2013, 09:33 PM | #68 | |
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07-15-2013, 10:25 PM | #69 | |
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I agree, been pouring over them too from the same contest. It is no secret good cooks still win that is why you kick our butt every time. |
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07-15-2013, 10:46 PM | #70 |
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it may have been understood and i didn't know that i was wrong, but i always kinda thought if there was a tough or hot table or two all the teams would hit them once(except for the big events)so it would kinda average out over the four categories and it becomes kinda "fair".
vince and gettin basted clearly contradict that sentiment. but, then again, i can't argue that the great teams don't almost always perform well. kinda contradicts the contradiction... a paradox it is.
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07-15-2013, 10:57 PM | #71 |
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Really interested in how this is going to work. I thought Score was implemented to help KCBS track judges' scoring over the long run, not to tell teams how a particular judge at a particular table scored on average that particular day. Hmmm...
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07-15-2013, 11:02 PM | #72 | |
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Also, I wonder, do the better teams normally turn in at the beginning, middle, or end of the turn-in time?
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07-15-2013, 11:09 PM | #73 | |
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I would think this wouldn't be too difficult now that all this info is being recorded and tracked.
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07-15-2013, 11:19 PM | #74 | |
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I think my ribs were pretty good, I had 2 judges give me 999. I ended up coming in 28th i think out of 42 in ribs. Now, were my ribs really that good from the 2 judges going all 9's, or did those judges score everyone high? Did the judges who scored me low in ribs score everyone low? Now, if the high scoring judges didn't score everyone else high, and the low scoring judges pretty much scored everyone else low, then I can reasonably deduce that my ribs were likely pretty good and got the luck of a bad judge who scored everyone down. Also, did anyone get a call in ribs from my table? What place did the highest place rib score on my table land overall? Was I actually the highest rib score of my table yet only came in 28th which leads me to think maybe I hit a low scoring table? Now, as for my brisket, it was my second time EVER cooking brisket. I thought it was terrible. It looked ok, but overall, it was a bad entry. I came in 32 out of 42. A bad score, but I can't imagine how bad the 10 guys below me were. Maybe I lucked into a high scoring table, and I can deduce that my 32nd was a gift. Like I said, i am a newb as well, and I am sure others can chime in with other ways to use these score sheets, but this is just one way I see its benefits. I would still like comment cards thought.
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07-15-2013, 11:31 PM | #75 | |
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Also, and I am not going to do the statistical anlysis here, but in general one might want to be careful when pointing out tings like "GC never hit table 3, and table 3 was the TOD (table o' death)". There can be a causal relationship there, POTENTIALLY. |
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