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Old 06-24-2019, 05:28 PM   #16
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I'll most likely just do the slices, unless the burnt ends turn out great. . but do your all's flat taste as good as your burnt ends? Mine aren't even close. .. But burnt ends are some of my all time favorite foods
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:33 PM   #17
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Wishing you BBQ Excellence at the August competition !

Oh... I'd love to sample your turn-in !!!
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:40 PM   #18
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Wishing you BBQ Excellence at the August competition !

Oh... I'd love to sample your turn-in !!!
Thanks! If you find yourself in Harford County, MD in August stop on by
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:37 PM   #19
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And then there's the reality of how things happen.
The reality of what? I've won brisket with squared ends. I know a cook that wins brisket on the regular that also still does.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:39 PM   #20
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Aside the from the direction to avoid judging the smoke ring because it can be artificially induced, there isn't a rule on this. Does a squared up slice look as good a complete slice? I don't think so. That being the case, it's going to impact appearance scores, either consciously or subconsciously.
How is a squared slice any less appealing than a "complete" slice, which is far from a complete slice?
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Old 06-24-2019, 08:59 PM   #21
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As I said, my comment was being nit-picky. Small. Largely inconsequential. Yet,in my opinion the squared end detracted from the appearance. I believe the rules do not say anything about judging appearance except of how the meat is cut. Judge what's in the box is the rule. If someone could be scored down because their cuts are uneven, don't you think that this concept can be applied to other aspects of the brisket? Or are you complaining about how "any judge who marks down..." for some other reason?
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:19 PM   #22
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Technically (if following the current rules) one can neither judge up nor down since 1) there is no longer a "starting place", and 2) judges are to pick the single term which best describes product before you. ie, excellent, very good, above average, average, .....
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:03 AM   #23
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Aside the from the direction to avoid judging the smoke ring because it can be artificially induced, there isn't a rule on this. Does a squared up slice look as good a complete slice? I don't think so. That being the case, it's going to impact appearance scores, either consciously or subconsciously.
You shouldn't compare it to a "complete" slice. KCBS is not comparative judging, so does it look as good doesn't enter the equation.

I use the word complete because you did, but even that isn't a complete slice. Whether you trim before or after the cook, you aren't getting a full width slice from a flat in a comp.

That being said, I agree that it could affect things subconsciously. It shouldn't, but it could. Same with pretty greens. Sure, the meat is what's to be judged, and you shouldn't be knocked down for sloppy kale/parsley, but if the pretty stuff makes the meat look better, you're getting a lift from good rabbit food.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:21 AM   #24
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As I said, my comment was being nit-picky. Small. Largely inconsequential. Yet,in my opinion the squared end detracted from the appearance. I believe the rules do not say anything about judging appearance except of how the meat is cut. Judge what's in the box is the rule. If someone could be scored down because their cuts are uneven, don't you think that this concept can be applied to other aspects of the brisket? Or are you complaining about how "any judge who marks down..." for some other reason?

If the squared off cuts are uneven, then go ahead. But scoring a team down because they didn't turn in a "complete slice" is not following the rules of judging. On top of it, boxes like that are common practice.
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:15 AM   #25
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You do still do have control over how squared ends look in the box by their overall width. I have seen some beautiful squared ends that FILL the box.
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I think it varies depending on where you are at.....if you read enough stories you will hear all kinds of things that surprise you....but as for me, we ALWAYS trim the sides of our slices to make them fit the way we want.

that said, here is a brisket box we turned in last year that finished 3rd with a 174.85......5 out of 6 9's on appearance.
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177.7028 and all nines on appearance. The only place I've ever heard anyone complain about squared off brisket slices is the internet.
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Old 06-25-2019, 12:55 PM   #28
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Judge what is in the box, and not the tips that aren't. If the cuts are ragged, ding the entry. Deducting points just because the slices are squared up isn't any different than taking points because burnt ends aren't in the box.

The OP may have the best 'first box' I've ever seen. I wish mine had looked that good!
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Judge what is in the box, and not the tips that aren't. If the cuts are ragged, ding the entry. Deducting points just because the slices are squared up isn't any different than taking points because burnt ends aren't in the box.

The OP may have the best 'first box' I've ever seen. I wish mine had looked that good!
I agree.....my first brisket box.....man oh man, when I got done with it, I threw it on the ground a couple of dogs walked by and instead of eating it, they hiked up their legs and took a piss.




just kidding of course......but it was very bad.
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Old 06-25-2019, 01:25 PM   #30
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Judge what is in the box, and not the tips that aren't. If the cuts are ragged, ding the entry. Deducting points just because the slices are squared up isn't any different than taking points because burnt ends aren't in the box.

The OP may have the best 'first box' I've ever seen. I wish mine had looked that good!
I'm with ya. That's a great first box. I just went back and looked at the first brisket box I ever turned in. It sucked!
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