why not build pit by fire cement

woodpelletsmoker · 08-16-2011, 09:10 PM

Why not add 1" fire cement inside walls of off-set?
I know price of fire cement is very cheaper.
It make your pit last much longer.
It makes temperature much stable
It saves much fuel.

Why not build cabinet smoker like Stumps by fire cement.
It can withstand much higher temperature than steel.
It also acts as a heat sink.
You can also make genuine pizza by it.
Fire cement is very strong too. With help of steel frame it must works good.
Only problem is weight.
If it is in your backyard, there is no problem.
If it is on trailer, weight is not a problem too.

You can also build a big egg type.

So why not you build it

btcg · 08-16-2011, 09:14 PM

No soul.

Johnny_Crunch · 08-16-2011, 09:16 PM

Too heavy! You have to get it to your backyard and trailer weight does matter.

NorthwestBBQ · 08-16-2011, 09:18 PM

Well, I think fire cement is too porous and would not have the insulating qualities of fire brick which is a very dense ceramic material.

Edit: just poking around I found this:

http://builders.reprap.org/2009/10/g...re-cement.html

Al Czervik · 08-16-2011, 09:21 PM

Not Spam friendly...

Carbon · 08-16-2011, 09:22 PM

Refractory cement is very expensive here in the US. It's more practical to use firebricks and they are readily available.

woodpelletsmoker · 08-16-2011, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbon

Refractory cement is very expensive here in the US. It's more practical to use firebricks and they are readily available.

Pardon my poor English. Yes by fire cement I mean Refractory cement.
Sorry American guys.
Refractory cement is very cheaper in China than steel when building a pit.
I do not sell, I do not manufacture Refractory cement. So this post is not a spam.
If you build directly in your backyard, weight is not a problem

brewerjamie15 · 08-16-2011, 10:30 PM

Hello WoodPelletSmoker. Nice to have you here.

For my situation, weight is a problem because my smokers go into a building if they are not being used. I used firebrick which worked well for the smoker but it was very heavy to move.
If using refractory cement, I think the smoker would be in one place all the time like an outdoor oven. I do not have room for this.
Making a smoker like this would be very expensive and take a long time.

Does this make sense to you in translation?

brewerjamie15 · 08-16-2011, 10:33 PM

If you build one, or if you have one like that with refractory cement can you show us a picture? I'd like to see it.

woodpelletsmoker · 08-16-2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewerjamie15

If you build one, or if you have one like that with refractory cement can you show us a picture? I'd like to see it.

It is not mentioned here. Before I build it, I want to find reason

woodpelletsmoker · 08-16-2011, 11:49 PM

Let us take Stumps Baby smoker as a comparison.

Effective space is 14.5"x18."x17.5".
I add 8" height to match chute opening.

If built by 2" thick cement, if density of cement is 2.5
weight of 6 sides(including doors) is about 220Kg or 490 bls.
If adding grills, chute, frame total weight shall be under 600 bls.
Weight of Baby smoker is 275 bls. 600 bls shall not be prohibitive.
Cost of cement shall be under US$100.

If built by 1" thick cement, weight of 6 sides is 100Kg or 220 bls.
If adding grills, chute, frame total weight shall be under 330 bls.
If adding 1" fire blanket, and outer wall of gauge 20 stainless steel, total weight must be under 400 bls. Weight shall be acceptable

By so doing, you can raise smoker temperature to 500F,. Good Pizza

NorthwestBBQ · 08-17-2011, 12:15 AM

Wood, riddle me this:

If your idea worked, why wouldn't Stumps be doing it?

Crazy Harry · 08-17-2011, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Not Spam friendly...

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodpelletsmoker

I do not sell, I do not manufacture Refractory cement. So this post is not a spam.

He was not saying you were posting spam he was joking about this http://www.spam.com/

welcome and enjoy this place.

woodpelletsmoker · 08-17-2011, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthwestBBQ

Wood, riddle me this:

If your idea worked, why wouldn't Stumps be doing it?

I want to know the reason before I really build my cement smoker!
I guess No.1 Cement is more expensive than iron in States. No.2 It is too heavy.
No.3 Cement will last much longer than iron, not good for manufacturers No.4 Stumps guys are clever, but not always the most clever

Cook · 08-17-2011, 07:01 AM

I'll work fine. Build it.

08-16-2011, 09:10 PM	#1
woodpelletsmoker is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 03-29-11 Location: Beijing,China	why not build pit by fire cement Why not add 1" fire cement inside walls of off-set? I know price of fire cement is very cheaper. It make your pit last much longer. It makes temperature much stable It saves much fuel. Why not build cabinet smoker like Stumps by fire cement. It can withstand much higher temperature than steel. It also acts as a heat sink. You can also make genuine pizza by it. Fire cement is very strong too. With help of steel frame it must works good. Only problem is weight. If it is in your backyard, there is no problem. If it is on trailer, weight is not a problem too. You can also build a big egg type. So why not you build it

08-16-2011, 09:14 PM	#2
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08-16-2011, 09:16 PM	#3
Johnny_Crunch Babbling Farker Join Date: 04-03-10 Location: Cypress TX	Too heavy! You have to get it to your backyard and trailer weight does matter. __________________ J Crunch

08-16-2011, 09:21 PM	#5
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08-16-2011, 09:22 PM	#6
Carbon is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 08-24-08 Location: Los Angeles	Refractory cement is very expensive here in the US. It's more practical to use firebricks and they are readily available. __________________ ....UDS....Mini-WSM....Midi-WSM....Mod-ECB....22.5-OTG....34"wood fired pizza oven....

08-16-2011, 09:18 PM	#4
NorthwestBBQ somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-28-09 Location: Everett, WA	Well, I think fire cement is too porous and would not have the insulating qualities of fire brick which is a very dense ceramic material. Edit: just poking around I found this: http://builders.reprap.org/2009/10/g...re-cement.html

08-16-2011, 10:30 PM	#8
brewerjamie15 Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-16-10 Location: Milwaukee, WI.	Hello WoodPelletSmoker. Nice to have you here. For my situation, weight is a problem because my smokers go into a building if they are not being used. I used firebrick which worked well for the smoker but it was very heavy to move. If using refractory cement, I think the smoker would be in one place all the time like an outdoor oven. I do not have room for this. Making a smoker like this would be very expensive and take a long time. Does this make sense to you in translation? __________________ Weber Performer, Stick Burner, Smokey Joe, Heck. I'll cook on anything.

08-16-2011, 10:33 PM	#9
brewerjamie15 Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-16-10 Location: Milwaukee, WI.	If you build one, or if you have one like that with refractory cement can you show us a picture? I'd like to see it. __________________ Weber Performer, Stick Burner, Smokey Joe, Heck. I'll cook on anything.

08-16-2011, 11:49 PM	#11
woodpelletsmoker is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 03-29-11 Location: Beijing,China	Weight estimate. Let us take Stumps Baby smoker as a comparison. Effective space is 14.5"x18."x17.5". I add 8" height to match chute opening. If built by 2" thick cement, if density of cement is 2.5 weight of 6 sides(including doors) is about 220Kg or 490 bls. If adding grills, chute, frame total weight shall be under 600 bls. Weight of Baby smoker is 275 bls. 600 bls shall not be prohibitive. Cost of cement shall be under US$100. If built by 1" thick cement, weight of 6 sides is 100Kg or 220 bls. If adding grills, chute, frame total weight shall be under 330 bls. If adding 1" fire blanket, and outer wall of gauge 20 stainless steel, total weight must be under 400 bls. Weight shall be acceptable By so doing, you can raise smoker temperature to 500F,. Good Pizza

08-17-2011, 12:15 AM	#12
NorthwestBBQ somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-28-09 Location: Everett, WA	Wood, riddle me this: If your idea worked, why wouldn't Stumps be doing it?

08-17-2011, 07:01 AM	#15
Cook Babbling Farker Join Date: 12-23-10 Location: Mount Pleasant, SC & Harkers Island, NC Name/Nickname : Jay	I'll work fine. Build it.

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