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10-15-2008, 04:45 AM | #181 | |
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10-15-2008, 06:18 AM | #182 |
is One Chatty Farker
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Dan Faraone made us a disc last year of the event I will see if he is willing to help out again.
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10-15-2008, 06:41 AM | #183 |
is One Chatty Farker
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Thats not true at all, the grilling portion of the contest since day one has not attempted to comply with the grilling rules as established and adopted by NEBS for 2008. This is why the grilling portion of this contest does not count for NEBS team of the year points. The grilling rules were developed in response to years of contests being organized with different and inconsistant rules and policies. It is the sole choice of the contest to adopt these rules or not, this contest did not. it should however prove interesting to judge...
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10-15-2008, 08:57 AM | #184 | |
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That's really not correct. NEBS came up with grilling rules in response to the fact that everyone was sick of going to contests and having to ask 900 questions about the rules since they were different depending on the organizer, and what was given was unclear... stuffing, garnish, bring your own plates, wrapping in another meat, can the sausage be premade, even down to the definition of a shellfish... or what constitues a fillet etc. ... and the NEBS rules were made to give organizers options without it being a total re-education for team every single event. And, the NEBS grilling rules clearly state they can be modified by a organizer if he wants to make additions, changes, and then they are presented to the BOD for approval. Harpoon requires their beer to be used... GOTB limits what may be used in a stuffing... etc. The format that you submitted included onsite judging, it was discussed and decided that as every single other event that counts towards team of the year involves blind judging, that this format was inconsistant to the point it introduced factors that were not present in any other NEBS event. So in reponse, you and the other organizers decided you would rather use your format than change that one aspect of the contest. Which is totally fine, and obviously up to you, but lets give the whole story here before saying that NEBS turned you down like the door was closed in your face.
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10-15-2008, 09:45 AM | #185 | |
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Join Date: 07-22-05
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To date I have been pretty quiet publicly on some of these rules issues, preferring to deal with them via PM or not at all.
Much to Clint's credit he has asked qustions about the rules, and as a result has been made to feel like a bad guy, and been labelled a whiner. Having now officially received the rules for the grilling competition, I am more confused than ever. I, and I’m sure many others as well, appreciate everything that has been and is being done with Battle of the BBQ Brethren. But there were a reasonably clear set of rules for the grilling competition on the competition’s website. They covered what, times, and how to submit all entries. These are the rules that everyone to date has entered the competition under, as they were the only official rules on the competition site. I understand that within the document it states: “This document is subject to modification and change. All teams will be notified of changes to the event via email.” One concern that I have is that there is confusion being created by these changes in turn-in procedure, times, and judging, that have the potential to outweigh the benefits that are sought to be achieved by bringing out creativity and flair. Another concern is that I generally don’t like rules that change after I have thrown my money into the pot, so to speak, and I'm sure others feel the same way too. I think it can potentially create a situation that calls into question the integrity of the event. I am sure that the changes are being made for the best of reasons, and I am not questioning your integrity, but there is a potential some to think that it is done to favor someone. If the rules are set and never change, there is no questioning. The rules are what they are, and that’s it. However when the rules change after the fact, is the basis for the rule change beyond reproach? It’s just something to consider for the sake of the Brethren name that is attached to the competition. Now, on to issues with the newly issued rules, as copied and pasted below (red highlightng on text added). Quote:
"Chub": Are we now cooking fish or pork and other ground meats? A chub is a fresh water fish. "We will have pizza boxes available for the competitors use.": I know it has been asked before, but what size is the pizza box? Other turn -ins have specific definition in this regard. "No garnish is allowed with this category.": By the very definiton of garnish, toppings are a garnish also. "will be given an ingredient that must be included in their Iron Choice presentation.": Can it just be included in the "presentation" as garnish or window dressing, or must it be part of the prepared dish? "all food prepared must utilize only wood, pellets or charcoal for heat sources with the exception of open flame propane/butane" : As it currently reads, the rule is that "open flame propane/butane" is the exception, or a case to which the rule does not apply, to the "only wood, pellets or charcoal" rule, meaning that propane/butane is fine, but I guess and elecrtic hotplate or microwave would not be. Is it now the intent that propane and butane are permissible? "It is asked that competition team members step away from the table to allow the judges privacy while scores are recorded." : OK, so it is "asked," but it is it required? If it is required, then just say so. If it is required, then how? Ten foot minimum with backs turned? Or perhaps just one giant step back? To avoid confusion and misunderstanding, the rules neeed to be clear and concise. They were, but in an effort to bring out creativity have now become less clear and less concise.
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10-15-2008, 09:55 AM | #186 |
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Tim are you serious?
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10-15-2008, 10:08 AM | #187 |
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Yes.
Well except for "Or perhaps just one giant step back?"
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10-15-2008, 10:28 AM | #188 |
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 12-04-05
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Its a grilling contest. Lets get real folks. Enough of the petty BS. All of these questions can be asked at the cooks meeting. You know the four categories. Nothing that is in these rules will change what you cook. I have never seen a contest discussed this much EVER.. It is our hometown and namesake contest , it will be a good time. Lets keep it that way. BTW Tim, the "chub" response was so ridiculous that you are going to get smacked
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10-15-2008, 11:12 AM | #189 | |
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We attempted to have the event count with NEBS for the Grilling. They were not able to comply as the scope of the Grilling aspects extended outside of what they had worked hard to design, so they declined. The BBQ aspects will be counted with NEBS as part of the TOY. Eric
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Its a pizza catagory. Nothing in the box except the pizza(including its toppings) (5 years working in a pizzaria and no one ever asked for meatball and pepperoni garnish. ) Quote:
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10-15-2008, 11:18 AM | #191 | |
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I have absolutely no problem with NEBS or their decision. There was a very good chance that I would have done the same in their shoes. They worked very hard to come up with a codified set of rules that were standardized for a reason. We chose to go outside of those parameters. Our choice. NEBS's decision is completely understandable. My stating that NEBS should be asked why they made the decision that they made was because I didn't feel that I should be speaking for NEBS. For the record, we did discuss the issue with NEBS. They did deliberate. They made a decision. We accepted that decision. There is no rancor on our part at all and I certainly hope that there is none on the part of NEBS. Eric
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10-15-2008, 11:30 AM | #192 |
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There is no rancor on NEBS part either Eric. We fully support you and the contest and wish you great success. Thanks for setting the record straight.
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10-15-2008, 11:35 AM | #193 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 08-17-06
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Enough
OK Enough of the BS, it is what it is, As the NYS Rep for NEBS I can assure all of you no ones feelings are hurt. Lets just end this thread and look forward to the contest !!! Let Creativity Rule The Day !!!
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10-15-2008, 11:47 AM | #194 |
Babbling Farker
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I apologize for asking what may have seemd like silly questions, but on the other hand . . .
1) I never thought that the intent was to be able to use propane stoves in the grilling competition. 2) I honestly thought that the Iron Chef secret ingredient had to be incorporated in the dish in some meaningful way. So I learned something that is of use to know in advance, and I'm guessing that others did too. Now excuse me while I head to the penalty box.
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10-15-2008, 11:54 AM | #195 | |
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thanks for making my response shorter on this thread. Holy chit put some food on a farking cooker and turn it the fark in. We are not creating a cure for cancer. Great Job organizers! |
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