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08-13-2013, 09:41 PM | #1 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 12-03-08
Location: Pearl River LA
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Appearance Scoring: How long do judges look at it?
Just curious how many seconds the judges typically look at a box before giving an appearance score. Also does each judge get their own turn to look it over, or does everyon look it over together?
Answers from all sanctioning bodies are welcome but mostly wondering about KCBS and IBCA. Thanks. |
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08-13-2013, 09:45 PM | #2 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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In KCBS, the table captain passes it before each judge until the judge indicates that he/she has has seen it long enough. Probably averages no more than 10-15 seconds.
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08-13-2013, 09:54 PM | #3 |
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Location: Northern VA
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More like 4-5 seconds.
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08-13-2013, 09:59 PM | #4 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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08-13-2013, 10:01 PM | #5 |
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 05-04-09
Location: Marietta, GA
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I have judged 3 and TC'ed 5 KCBS contests this year and the average time for each judge is 4 seconds. I know because I have timed it.
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08-13-2013, 10:25 PM | #6 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 12-03-08
Location: Pearl River LA
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I am glad to hear this and think its a good thing that judges don't get a bunch of time to look for every out of place thing that they can find. If a judge uses their 4-5 seconds to look for minor cosmetic imperfections instead of deciding how appetizing the meat looks then shame on them. I doubt this happens much because it seems that the criticisms found on BBQCRITIC seem to be more extreme than what happens in a real time setting.
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08-14-2013, 06:40 AM | #7 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 11-23-10
Location: Hillsborough, NC (UNC "TarHeel" country!)
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KCBS = 4-5 seconds with the box being presented before each judge by the Table Captain.
MBN = 10-15 seconds (longer if necessary) with the boxes being open in the middle of the table and the judges moving around (if necessary) to get a good look at the boxes. NCBS = similar to KCBS. I hope this helps!
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08-14-2013, 07:13 AM | #8 |
is one Smokin' Farker
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I usually start looking as the box is being presented down the table, I look at the sides as it is shown to the judge next to me then I am looking straight down as the table captain reaches me. I probably look at each box for about 10 seconds, 4 to 5 while in front of me. I never even look at the garnish or the box lid or for sauce on the side of the box, I only look at the meat. Now if the meat is buried in the garnish then I have to look at it and try to score around the garnish.
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08-14-2013, 07:21 AM | #9 |
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They actually look? Just kidding, couldn't resist.
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08-14-2013, 07:53 AM | #10 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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08-14-2013, 09:31 AM | #11 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I do look at garnish, however, only because there are some types that are illegal. I don't look at it hard, though, because the meat should get most of the judge's attention, IMO. So have you KCBS judges ever wondered why there is illegal garnish if you can't JUDGE the garnish? I have!
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08-14-2013, 10:01 AM | #12 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-25-06
Location: Elk Creek, Ky.
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4-5 seconds is a long damn time!!!.. count to 5 looking at your entry.. you can see a lot!
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08-14-2013, 10:08 AM | #13 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-17-12
Location: Oswego, IL
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When I judge, I usually do the same as a couple mentioned above - start looking as the TC passes it around the table, and spend 4-5 seconds looking at it when the box is in front of me. I also judge on bbqcritic, and try to only spend that same amount of time when scoring. Now, when it comes to the comments/suggestions on bbqcritic - the part where you can comment on things that don't affect your score - I may take another longer look and offer a couple suggestions. As we all know, paying attention to detail matters. This has all helped me in practice and at the one backyard comp I have done.
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08-14-2013, 10:18 AM | #14 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 10-06-08
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first off, i'm not a certified judge, nor have I judged a contest. But first impressions are everything and my guess is every judge has their number picked within the first 2 seconds of having the box opened in front of them. Count 4 mississippi's in your head and it's a long time.
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