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Old 02-22-2020, 08:03 AM   #31
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Old 02-22-2020, 08:15 AM   #32
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So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail
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So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail
The same thought crossed my mind, but I am no builder, so I will leave that to those that are.
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So....uh.....ummmm.....uh..... I think you need a better foundation than those blocks. One for downward load. But especially for upward. You’re effectively building a sail
Maybe the posts/blocks are set in cement a couple of feet deep ?
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Maybe the posts/blocks are set in cement a couple of feet deep ?


There’s no way to embed those blocks in concrete. Besides we can see the bottom. In addition those blocks do not have mechanical attachment to the posts, the posts just fit into an indent. Even if the blocks were embedded there is zero uplift resistance.

As you’ve started to suggest the correct tie down is a foundation 18-24” deep with hold down post anchors embedded. Those anchors are then bolted to the posts. They also sell bases that get anchored into the foundation then bolted to the post. Both provide uplift capacities.

This configuration is almost as bad as it can be. The building and the fence effectively stop wind that blows in the front from escaping. This increases the pressure upward exponentially. Without a fence or building it is still a sail and needs holddowns, but those enclosures really hurt.

Things are built like this all the time and survive for a long time. However, when that gust comes the results can be not pretty. I’ve seen pergolas without roofs picked up and moved - I am assuming this will have a solid roof.

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When I have built similar shed roof shelters I used 6 X 6 treated post and direct buried them 30% of their overall length with 3 to 4 bags of post pix for each post. Then all rafters/beams are through bolted into the post with at least 3 - 1/2" or 5/8" bolts. Use
Joist hangers and/or H25's on the rest of the rafters and/or purlins for wind load based on your design.

As AUswimKC said you currently are building a sail here.
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Got ground anchors in 6 places.
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There’s no way to embed those blocks in concrete. Besides we can see the bottom. In addition those blocks do not have mechanical attachment to the posts, the posts just fit into an indent. Even if the blocks were embedded there is zero uplift resistance.

As you’ve started to suggest the correct tie down is a foundation 18-24” deep with hold down post anchors embedded. Those anchors are then bolted to the posts. They also sell bases that get anchored into the foundation then bolted to the post. Both provide uplift capacities.

This configuration is almost as bad as it can be. The building and the fence effectively stop wind that blows in the front from escaping. This increases the pressure upward exponentially. Without a fence or building it is still a sail and needs holddowns, but those enclosures really hurt.

Things are built like this all the time and survive for a long time. However, when that gust comes the results can be not pretty. I’ve seen pergolas without roofs picked up and moved - I am assuming this will have a solid roof.


I appreciate your concern.

There are 6 ground anchors in which are connected to the 6 vertical posts.
Roof panels will fly off before the shelter goes anywhere


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There are 6 ground anchors in which are connected to the 6 vertical posts.
Roof panels will fly off before the shelter goes anywhere


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Keep in mind the structure can rack and literally lay over, seen this happen to neighbor that used this anchoring system, make sure to use cross bracing on the sides and back to prevent this.
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Keep in mind the structure can rack and literally lay over, seen this happen to neighbor that used this anchoring system, make sure to use cross bracing on the sides and back to prevent this.


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Keep in mind the structure can rack and literally lay over, seen this happen to neighbor that used this anchoring system, make sure to use cross bracing on the sides and back to prevent this.
Yes, 2-force members, to support wind loads and gravity.

Think about old school railroad trestles or corner posts on a barb wire fence.
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