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01-07-2012, 07:49 PM | #1 |
is One Chatty Farker
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Garnish / No Garnish Question
Hey All,
I've been reading the long, detailed, passionate threads about the Garnish vs. No Garnish issue for a while. Interesting stuff, and I'm not interested in debating it further here. What I want to know is this... I saw a comment that this issue is brought to the Board pretty much every year, but what does that mean? Does the Board decide the issue by themselves? Does it ever come to a vote? Has the "No Garnish" lobby had any success at all? Again, not here to debate the issue. Just wondering how it's handled in the board room. Thanks, Bret
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01-07-2012, 09:30 PM | #2 |
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Bret this is a conversation that is brought up every year because its a BBQ contest not a garnish contest. IBCA (The International BBQ Association) another sanctioning body, they are out of Texas and they do not require garnish. I have never cooked an IBCA contest but their rules are different. So to answer you, this is brought up every year and the KCBS (Kansas City BBQ Society) requires a garnish as a rule for their events. Personally I like it because it adds something to the contest. Learning to build boxes used to be hard but on the interweb its not hard to find out how to build one.
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01-07-2012, 09:35 PM | #3 |
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Hey Jon,
Yeah, I've been reading about the whole thing for hours. :) I'm just wondering if the folks that don't want garnish have organized, and if so, what they did and how exactly the discussion/procedure went down (officially and/or unofficially) w/ the BOD. I truly don't want to argue it. Hell, I'm not even a KCBS member (yet). I just want to know what happens when it's brought up where it counts. b...
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01-08-2012, 01:41 AM | #4 |
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Join Date: 10-29-08
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In KCBS, garnish is optional per rule 12. To my knowledge, the "No Garnish" lobby has never gained any significant traction. Doubt it will either, IMO.
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01-08-2012, 04:29 AM | #5 |
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Crash is correct - garnish has never be required by KCBS rules. However, the option to use it is one of the unique features of the KCBS format, and I think it very unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.
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01-08-2012, 08:55 AM | #6 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I hate building boxes, but I go to contest to try and win. Your meat is just going to stand out more with garnish (or distract from the meat if you fark it up).
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01-08-2012, 09:05 AM | #7 | |
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KCBS makes garnish optional. Some teams leave it out but most put it in. There are specific rules about type allowed, if used, and I really don't think it has any traction to ever change. |
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01-08-2012, 09:09 AM | #8 | |
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Some reps have told me that allowing garnish is seen by KCBS as one of the things that makes them different from the other sanctioning bodies, so it's very unlikely it will ever go away for that reason. Good judges understand garnish is optional, but many cooks admit that:
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01-08-2012, 02:42 PM | #9 |
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FBA does not allow garnish either.... I love it.... as I too do not like building the boxes, but I agree, it adds to the appeal. And I believe that if my box did not have garnish, and the other 5 boxes on the table did, the eyes and brain would not like it near as much, even though they are suppose to judge it as presented.... I just don't want to take that chance. So, until then, I build the boxes and keep on going. BTW, my presentation scores were higher in the one FBA contest without garnish than in all of the KCBS comps.... go figure.
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01-08-2012, 02:43 PM | #10 |
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BTW, the big thing in FBA, nothing at all in the box except meat... and the object is for the judges to see NO white from the bottom of the box.
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01-08-2012, 04:09 PM | #11 |
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Thanks guys. I understand all that. I'm just trying to figure out whether it's ever been put to any type of vote either at the BOD level or to the membership. I'm really interested in the process end of things here. Out of hours and hours of reading on the comp forum, I've never seen any other topic discussed so passionately. But at the same time, other than a brief mention that "it comes up every year", I'm trying to figure up "how" and "where" it comes up every year and what the BOD does with it.
Gotta check my ribs. Thanks, Bret
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