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03-11-2009, 11:41 AM | #1 |
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Brisket slices & burnt ends in a box
We’re having a little debate over the brisket box in the other thread. So to clarify, if we wanted to make a brisket box that included slices and some burnt ends. In a KCBS contest, can you separate a piece of meat and continue cooking half of it.
When we ‘create” our burnt ends, we will cube or chunk the point then season/sauce and place back on the smoker. So in order to cook everything as we normally do. We would separate the flat and point when it was done. Then throw the burnt ends back on the smoker for awhile. Can we do that and place in one box? I didnt think you could do that in a contest. (Did I explain my question correctly?)
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03-11-2009, 11:43 AM | #2 |
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The only thing you are not allowed to seperate is a pork butt - briskett you can cut anyway you want. A lot of people seperate point and flat in the middle of the cook.
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03-11-2009, 12:05 PM | #3 |
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I wonder if anyone's ever had the testicular fortitude to actually "part" ribs and cook them individually to get bark all the way around the rib?
Also, if you had a butt weighing over 10 pounds, could you technically make it into two five pound butts since it can be bone in or out? |
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03-11-2009, 12:11 PM | #4 |
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Not the way I read the rules. A butt, is a butt. If you trim something off, it's a trimming and not another butt.
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03-11-2009, 12:22 PM | #5 |
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Extreme BBQ pre cut ribs and tossed this in rub. He smoked them and turned them in and took I believe third at cabellas in 2006.
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03-11-2009, 12:40 PM | #6 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I would have liked to see those ribs! It's an interesting concept. I know sometimes we're not happy with the amount of meat between the bones when we slice and, while it would be a little more expensive to do, you could cut away from the bone and up against the next bone to get a lot of meat on each side of the one you turn in.
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03-11-2009, 12:47 PM | #7 |
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Hollywood cut them. The reason he did that was because he burnt his spares and had an extra rack of baby backs around with about two hours to go until turn in. High heat and got them done with plenty of time to spare.
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03-11-2009, 01:00 PM | #8 | ||
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PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Picnic and/or Whole
It's only the Pork that cannot be split or parted... I split my brisket before it even hits the cooker....
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03-11-2009, 01:18 PM | #9 |
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Thx for another lesson. I was applying the pork rule to everything.
Anyone care to elaborate as to why the different rules for butts and brisket?
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03-11-2009, 01:23 PM | #10 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I really don't have an answer other than maybe the 'Money Muscle' found on a pork butt... It's a great item to slice... Problem is that it tends to be done quicker than the rest of the butt... That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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03-11-2009, 02:28 PM | #11 |
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And since we're talking burnt ends and slices...
The comment about putting the burnt ends in back rather than front caught my eye, the reasoning being that by putting the burnt ends in front one *might* be trying to hide "something". Is this a widespread perception?
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03-11-2009, 02:43 PM | #12 |
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I'm not taking any chance to let a judge and their "perception" ruin my score... That's why I put them in the back of the box... Assuming they are good enough... I also don't want to hide my slices of briskets...
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03-11-2009, 03:04 PM | #13 | |
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I don't think that's always the case. As a general rule of thumb, I want to showcase the best looking most appetizing product in the box and "hide" or distract from the rest. The box we were looking at in the other thread had wonderful flat slices while the burnt ends didn't look so good to me. I just wondered why someone would hide that front slice instead of highlighting it. If I needed to hide injection marks or a tear, I'd do the same thing. I think the judges will be less likely to score you down for covering up the front slice than they would for a nasty stain. The appearance judging happens quick and once the score is written down, they can't change it.
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03-11-2009, 07:16 PM | #14 |
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How to you get a boneless butt without trimming it?
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03-11-2009, 07:21 PM | #15 |
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After the last post, I thought to myself, "We all truly missed our calling. We should have all been lawyers!
.......(jack mccoy) "Your honor, a butt is a butt and shall not be trimmed." (defense attorney) "My client clearly split the butt into 2 - 5 lb sections and therefore, no violation of the law occurred." (jack mccoy)"You can't be serious!" ................. Part of me loves when we haggle over some of the rules.
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