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Old 09-04-2007, 08:31 PM   #16
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JD, I don't know what brand you have, so I don't know what AV is... but others may... I'm new to this stuff, too.

I thought about a camera like that... I have a Fuji s5000 now... but I've decided to go the dslr route, so I can use lenses that I want, which I'm beginning to think is the best way to get different results, along with the manual controls on a dslr. The woman that's going to be helping me recommended what I'd already come up with, a 50mm prime lens, as a starter.
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Rick, 'tain't happenin'! She's not local. :)

JD, the 'A' mode on my P&S is for aperture priority, which I actually use a lot.
He said taint!
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:10 PM   #18
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He said taint!
then he said this isn't the woodpile!
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You might wanna ping Thawley on this conversation. He's a photography instructor.

Here's a few of my own tips (in text, no photos)

Invest in a tripod. Keeping your camera steady will improve your photos guaranteed. Especially true for indoor still life type photos. Doesn't need to buy an expensive one, either, but it should be stable enough for the size / weight of your camera.

Light your subject as well as you can. If that means turning on room lights, opening drapes for indoor shots, do that. If you're outdoors, sometimes you have the opposite problem and you have too much harsh sunlight creating harsh shadows. Sometimes, shooting outdoors means taking your subject out of direct sunlight.

Learn how to use your flash modes. It's usually AUTO mode, and the camera will decide when the flash goes off. For indoor shots, that's often not wanted, so force the flash OFF. For outdoor shots in harsh sunlight, you want to use "fill flash" to soften the harsh shadows on your subject, so force flash to the ON mode.

Learn about white balance. Shooting under fluorescent light gives your photos a greenish blue tint. Shooting under halogen light gives it an orange tone. Your camera has settings to compensate for these light conditions so your whites show up white, not blue or orange. Even basic digicams have some sort of white balance feature, and it's well worth using.
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You might wanna ping Thawley on this conversation. He's a photography instructor.

Here's a few of my own tips (in text, no photos)

Invest in a tripod. Keeping your camera steady will improve your photos guaranteed. Especially true for indoor still life type photos. Doesn't need to buy an expensive one, either, but it should be stable enough for the size / weight of your camera.

Light your subject as well as you can. If that means turning on room lights, opening drapes for indoor shots, do that. If you're outdoors, sometimes you have the opposite problem and you have too much harsh sunlight creating harsh shadows. Sometimes, shooting outdoors means taking your subject out of direct sunlight.

Learn how to use your flash modes. It's usually AUTO mode, and the camera will decide when the flash goes off. For indoor shots, that's often not wanted, so force the flash OFF. For outdoor shots in harsh sunlight, you want to use "fill flash" to soften the harsh shadows on your subject, so force flash to the ON mode.

Learn about white balance. Shooting under fluorescent light gives your photos a greenish blue tint. Shooting under halogen light gives it an orange tone. Your camera has settings to compensate for these light conditions so your whites show up white, not blue or orange. Even basic digicams have some sort of white balance feature, and it's well worth using.
you forgot "that'll be $50.00"!

it's all true... this shot was with the cheapo tripod, with timer, natural daylight & spotlight on the building, 1/13th second shutter and f 4.8. no way you could hold a 1/13 second exposure steady.

oh... and auto setting on the dial (or the flower, can't remember )

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Old 09-04-2007, 09:45 PM   #21
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You might wanna ping Thawley on this conversation. He's a photography instructor.

Here's a few of my own tips (in text, no photos)

Invest in a tripod. Keeping your camera steady will improve your photos guaranteed. Especially true for indoor still life type photos. Doesn't need to buy an expensive one, either, but it should be stable enough for the size / weight of your camera.

Light your subject as well as you can. If that means turning on room lights, opening drapes for indoor shots, do that. If you're outdoors, sometimes you have the opposite problem and you have too much harsh sunlight creating harsh shadows. Sometimes, shooting outdoors means taking your subject out of direct sunlight.

Learn how to use your flash modes. It's usually AUTO mode, and the camera will decide when the flash goes off. For indoor shots, that's often not wanted, so force the flash OFF. For outdoor shots in harsh sunlight, you want to use "fill flash" to soften the harsh shadows on your subject, so force flash to the ON mode.

Learn about white balance. Shooting under fluorescent light gives your photos a greenish blue tint. Shooting under halogen light gives it an orange tone. Your camera has settings to compensate for these light conditions so your whites show up white, not blue or orange. Even basic digicams have some sort of white balance feature, and it's well worth using.
Thanks for the tips professor...so...what good is the "auto" mode on a point and shoot if it won't do all that stuff (tripod excluded) for you? If I tell my wife I need a fancy dancy camera to take pictures of food she'll just tell me "tain't happenin'"

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Thanks for the tips professor...so...what good is the "auto" mode on a point and shoot if it won't do all that stuff (tripod excluded) for you? If I tell my wife I need a fancy dancy camera to take pictures of food she'll just tell me "tain't happenin'"

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Good point. The autoflash makes an estimated guess for when there's not enough light overall to get a decent shot. Most camera's software seems to operate on a general sense of "there's not enough light in this frame overall, so I need to turn on the flash for this shot under these conditions."

That means it won't turn on the flash for harsh outdoor light conditions because there's plenty of illumination (overall). When you have a low light condition, it'll flash and blow out the image with a blinding white glare because most point & shoots can't soften the flash when it's needed.

Cameras doesn't need to be fancy to make good photos either. It's about the cook, not the cooker. Luckily, these days you get more features and advanced technology that the same price bought last year.
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you forgot "that'll be $50.00"!

it's all true... this shot was with the cheapo tripod, with timer, natural daylight & spotlight on the building, 1/13th second shutter and f 4.8. no way you could hold a 1/13 second exposure steady.

oh... and auto setting on the dial (or the flower, can't remember )
Yup, the flower setting for closeup focusing. Great tip for tight shots.

"Bracketing" is something you can play with once you know how shutter speed and lens aperture work together to allow light onto your film, er light sensor. I took several frames of this late evening bonfire shot, and changed the aperture settings after each shot. Each one came out differently. Sometimes the bricks in the background came out exposed properly and the flame was washed out. In the other, the flame was brilliantly orange but the background was too dark. This frame is the compromise in between.

And like Rick's shot of his pizza, this sort of low light photo requires a tripod. No way I could have hand held this shot.

And to keep this BBQ focused, this shot is from a series I took of a historic recreation of 19th century cattle rancher's earth pit BBQ. All photos in that set are not post processed at all, it's all straight off the camera. You can see more photos from that event here
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Nice reading! No wonder my farking pics are blurry half the time. Can one of you camera folks sugget a tri-pod for a Sony DSC H-5, please.

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This is in Q-Talk, NOT Woodpile! :)

LM & Keale, thanks... The second was after a lot of help figuring out how to take the shot, though I still have a long way to go.

Thirdeye... Maybe we can get the admins to start a new section for photo critiques!
I like the idea of a photo critique section! I love to play with my cameras and am always trying to learn better ways to take pics. I am still trying to get a good pic of a star pinwheel (focus on the north star and open the shutter. Wait a few min and close the shutter. The north star stays in the center but all the other stars swirl around it.)
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You can spend a lot on a tripod... I just picked up a good all around tripod at Radio Shack for something like $20... It does most of what I need for now.
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Nice reading! No wonder my farking pics are blurry half the time. Can one of you camera folks sugget a tri-pod for a Sony DSC H-5, please.

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You can spend a lot on a tripod... I just picked up a good all around tripod at Radio Shack for something like $20... It does most of what I need for now.
I'm good with a $20 tripod. Wish that was all my wife spent on hers! Of course she feels the same way when it comes to a bbq pit.
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Good point. The autoflash makes an estimated guess for when there's not enough light overall to get a decent shot. Most camera's software seems to operate on a general sense of "there's not enough light in this frame overall, so I need to turn on the flash for this shot under these conditions."

That means it won't turn on the flash for harsh outdoor light conditions because there's plenty of illumination (overall). When you have a low light condition, it'll flash and blow out the image with a blinding white glare because most point & shoots can't soften the flash when it's needed.

Cameras doesn't need to be fancy to make good photos either. It's about the cook, not the cooker. Luckily, these days you get more features and advanced technology that the same price bought last year.
most of my shots, if not taken during the 'hour of power' (just before the sun sets and the sun is low and the shadows are long) are taken with the flash OFF so the shutter speed is longer and the only light source is the spotlight on the side of the outbuilding or halogen light clamped onto the rv... like this:


1/3 second shutter at f/4.5

If i can do this stuff, anybody can. you can take a decent photograph with a shoebox with a hole in the end. it's all about composition and framing.
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