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Old 04-27-2018, 09:40 PM   #31
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Do you Q year round or are you one of them seasonal types.?
I'd que year round with the right cooker. But I'm not tending fire every twenty minutes for ten hours in ten degrees anymore. Enough of that.
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:03 PM   #32
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I will definitely check them out and I do appreciate the idea. I'm actually 8.5 hours from Holland, MI, though so it'd have to be a great deal with shipping.
You're absolutely correct on the distance..guess I had a brain fart. haha GrillaGrills does "jungle pricing" so the price you see on the website (plus tax of course) is what it costs to ship to your door. If you did decide to pick it up they pass off the saved shipping costs to you with a bunch of swag and some bags of pellets to get you started.

If you're interested in the company here's their unofficial "Owners/Fanpage" on Facebook. It's a good group of people although some are a bit overzealous about the product. Good thing is that all the common issues people have when they transition to pellet cookers have been addressed a few times, so if you did have any issues just make a quick post and usually within 10 minutes there's a solution posted.

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It's well known on this forum that I hate Yoder so I'll offer up an alternative at least as something for you to look into.

...and you should be able to fit the box in a normal sized car or SUV.
Yeah, Yoder won't fit in a box. It also won't fit in your normal sized car or SUV. If that's an issue, you should look for a better cooker somewhere else.
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You're absolutely correct on the distance..guess I had a brain fart. haha GrillaGrills does "jungle pricing" so the price you see on the website (plus tax of course) is what it costs to ship to your door. If you did decide to pick it up they pass off the saved shipping costs to you with a bunch of swag and some bags of pellets to get you started.

If you're interested in the company here's their unofficial "Owners/Fanpage" on Facebook. It's a good group of people although some are a bit overzealous about the product. Good thing is that all the common issues people have when they transition to pellet cookers have been addressed a few times, so if you did have any issues just make a quick post and usually within 10 minutes there's a solution posted.

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Thanks so much! I'm actually very interested now that I've looked at their website. My only concern is: what am I losing by stepping from a Yoder to this? I wasnt even going to consider a Traeger, and it seems like that's the category Grilla sees themselves in. I don't want to get in at the Traeger level on pellet smokers.
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From a stickburner to a Pellet grill.? I'd add a charcoal n wood chunk smoker too.
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Thanks so much! I'm actually very interested now that I've looked at their website. My only concern is: what am I losing by stepping from a Yoder to this? I wasnt even going to consider a Traeger, and it seems like that's the category Grilla sees themselves in. I don't want to get in at the Traeger level on pellet smokers.
To be fair I've never heard anybody say anything bad about the Yoder pellet cookers outside of the very light smoke flavor. I believe it has a PID controller (Brethern, if I'm wrong, please correct me) and that will lead to a much tighter temp control, but on the flip side you're going to see less smoke flavor. I've watched a lot of videos about the YS-480/640 cooker and too often I see the Amazen Pellet tubes inside the smoking chamber. If you're paying ~$1500 for a cooker you shouldn't have to add a tube like that to get the smoke flavor you want.

GrillaGrills goes with the motto "trust the swing" and by the swing they mean a reasonable swing in temperature. There is no PID controller on their cookers so it's a bit more like an offset in terms of fluctuation... generally people are reporting a swing of about 10-15 degrees in either direction. I will also add that GrillaGrills has a built in air-gap for insulation, and I think that brings a lot to the table and especially so when you're cooking up in your neck of the woods. Looking at the YS-640, Yoder will charge you an additional $250 to buy a thermal jacket which might be a necessity for you.

Either way I totally understand not wanting to go with a cooker that's at or near the "Traeger level" of quality. As always it comes down to cost versus features. I'm not trying to sell anything but I always like for people to explore their options before dropping a huge amount of cash on something. Good luck either way and I hope it works out for you when you do make the decision.

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I am going to agree with Evil-G on this you need an insulated vertical. Anything else you are going to have to work to keep your temps up.
Backwoods has some nice ones. Reasonable prices and 1 year warranty.
I would highly recommend a 270 Smoker but they are out of your price range. I got my Sumo right as they were doing away with them. They are starting at a little more than $1800 for the 270 Hollywood.
In your price range I would say Backwoods and Humphreys are your best bet. I am not a fan of Humphreys but many people are very happy with them.
Stumps has some cheaper models but are very small. Quality for sure. Just small.
I would go Backwoods followed by Stumps (if you don't mind small. They have big ones but they are expensive) Humphreys if you can find a local dealer in stock and can look it over in person.

I hate when people say this but if you hold out a few months you could get a 270 Smokers Hollywood and have a nice size cooker that is welded.
I totally get not being able to go above a certain amount. I really think a Backwoods Smoker is the way to go if you can't go above $1500.
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To be fair I've never heard anybody say anything bad about the Yoder pellet cookers outside of the very light smoke flavor. I believe it has a PID controller (Brethern, if I'm wrong, please correct me) and that will lead to a much tighter temp control, but on the flip side you're going to see less smoke flavor. I've watched a lot of videos about the YS-480/640 cooker and too often I see the Amazen Pellet tubes inside the smoking chamber. If you're paying ~$1500 for a cooker you shouldn't have to add a tube like that to get the smoke flavor you want.

GrillaGrills goes with the motto "trust the swing" and by the swing they mean a reasonable swing in temperature. There is no PID controller on their cookers so it's a bit more like an offset in terms of fluctuation... generally people are reporting a swing of about 10-15 degrees in either direction. I will also add that GrillaGrills has a built in air-gap for insulation, and I think that brings a lot to the table and especially so when you're cooking up in your neck of the woods. Looking at the YS-640, Yoder will charge you an additional $250 to buy a thermal jacket which might be a necessity for you.

Either way I totally understand not wanting to go with a cooker that's at or near the "Traeger level" of quality. As always it comes down to cost versus features. I'm not trying to sell anything but I always like for people to explore their options before dropping a huge amount of cash on something. Good luck either way and I hope it works out for you when you do make the decision.

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Yoder actually says their controller is not PID. They have their own controller that they have designed in house, with their own programming. Although, I find nothing wrong with PID, and there are some good cookers out there that use them. I guess saying having an inaccurate controller, is a good thing, might convince someone, but Really? I don't think temps swings of 20 degrees is going to hurt you in anyway, but it isn't going to help you either. Not sure why you would try to sell temp swings as a good thing. If their air gap was working, you shouldn't have temp swings like that.

Yes Yoder, does sell an insulated cover, that is very nice, and very over priced. It does work, and I like mine. But, if you don't want to pay for it, you can do what people have been doing for years, and cover it with a welding blanket. I have done this on stick burners even. Why fight cold wind, when you can avoid it? Yoder gives you the option of buying their custom fit cover, why is that bad?

As far as smoke flavor, I believe Yoder has the reputation of one of the heavier smoke producing pellet grills. That is why I bought mine. I like a heavier smoke. Do I use a smoke tube, absolutely! I don't understand why people consider this so bad. First of all, it gives you the opportunity, to add different wood accents, to your cook, without having to mix your pellets. I like to run Hicory in my hopper for most cooks, but sometimes I will put a smoke tube full of cherry, mesquite, or Jack Daniels pellets, to add color or flavor. On short cooks, I might put one in, to supplement smoke flavor. But honestly if you are doing low and slow cooking, and cooking for long periods of time, you don't need to supplement the smoke. If you are a hot and fast cook, then yes a tube is necessary to get a more pronounced smoke flavor, but who cares? If I use a stick burner, I use charcoal to get a good bed of coals. If I use charcoal, I add wood to get more smoke flavor. Why not use a smoke tube in a pellet grill to get that flavor you want? Just saying.

I have no connection to Yoder, or any company, but I feel, they sell a great pellet grill. I think most people that have done their research would put Mak, Yoder, and Memphis at the top of the pellet grill market. If you like the Yoder, and the price is your only concern, I would look at Blazin Grill Works. They are very similar to the Yoder, but a little cheaper. I have cooked on my YS640 in sub zero temps with a -20 wind chill, with no problems. I do have the insulated jacket, and that is not a typical winter day here in OK, but it will do those temps. Up where you are, I would certainly not rule out an insulated cooker either, just a matter of they style of cooker you want, and how often you will be cooking in those temps.
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From a stickburner to a Pellet grill.? I'd add a charcoal n wood chunk smoker too.
I know, I get it. But I'm a full-time seminary student right now with two part-time jobs and 2 kids under 3. I don't exactly have stickburner kind of time to devote to making BBQ....

Three years from now I'll be singing a different tune. For now, gotta do what I gotta do to keep some kind of BBQ going.
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To be fair I've never heard anybody say anything bad about the Yoder pellet cookers outside of the very light smoke flavor. I believe it has a PID controller (Brethern, if I'm wrong, please correct me) and that will lead to a much tighter temp control, but on the flip side you're going to see less smoke flavor. I've watched a lot of videos about the YS-480/640 cooker and too often I see the Amazen Pellet tubes inside the smoking chamber. If you're paying ~$1500 for a cooker you shouldn't have to add a tube like that to get the smoke flavor you want.

GrillaGrills goes with the motto "trust the swing" and by the swing they mean a reasonable swing in temperature. There is no PID controller on their cookers so it's a bit more like an offset in terms of fluctuation... generally people are reporting a swing of about 10-15 degrees in either direction. I will also add that GrillaGrills has a built in air-gap for insulation, and I think that brings a lot to the table and especially so when you're cooking up in your neck of the woods. Looking at the YS-640, Yoder will charge you an additional $250 to buy a thermal jacket which might be a necessity for you.

Either way I totally understand not wanting to go with a cooker that's at or near the "Traeger level" of quality. As always it comes down to cost versus features. I'm not trying to sell anything but I always like for people to explore their options before dropping a huge amount of cash on something. Good luck either way and I hope it works out for you when you do make the decision.

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I get what you're trying to do, and I very much appreciate it. I have done some work checking out Grilla for no other reason than your input. Thanks for taking the time to help a brother out!
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:51 PM   #41
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I know, I get it. But I'm a full-time seminary student right now with two part-time jobs and 2 kids under 3. I don't exactly have stickburner kind of time to devote to making BBQ....

Three years from now I'll be singing a different tune. For now, gotta do what I gotta do to keep some kind of BBQ going.
Hunsaker Drum.......or insulated cabinet smoker.
In a few months Academy will have a Small (probally 3 grate) Old Country Insulated Gravity Fed in the $1200 neighborhood.....
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Alot of you have mentioned insulated vertical gravity fed smokers. I've never looked into these before. They look like a pretty cool idea, but after looking at them, here's my question: If I'm going to spend that kind of money, why not get an Ole Hickory UltraQue/CTO that also has built in temp control and convection? Some of these vertical units are like 4-grand and have neither! Wowzers.
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Alot of you have mentioned insulated vertical gravity fed smokers. I've never looked into these before. They look like a pretty cool idea, but after looking at them, here's my question: If I'm going to spend that kind of money, why not get an Ole Hickory UltraQue/CTO that also has built in temp control and convection? Some of these vertical units are like 4-grand and have neither! Wowzers.
there is Insulated cabinet smokers and then Insulated gravity fed. Start about $1000 up to $4-5K. Humphreys and Backwoods have both put out a Small insulated cabinet (not gravity fed) for under $1000.......

https://humphreysbbq.myshopify.com/pages/the-weekender

https://shop.backwoods-smoker.com/co...ts/chubby-3400

https://shop.backwoods-smoker.com/co...roducts/chubby

T&K Small is the cheapest Gravity Fed I know of ( till Old Country's comes out)

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Alot of you have mentioned insulated vertical gravity fed smokers. I've never looked into these before. They look like a pretty cool idea, but after looking at them, here's my question: If I'm going to spend that kind of money, why not get an Ole Hickory UltraQue/CTO that also has built in temp control and convection? Some of these vertical units are like 4-grand and have neither! Wowzers.
None of the ones I mentioned are gravity fed. The 270 smoker is convection/reverse flow. Not a gravity fed smoker. They hang their hat on not needing a temp controller. Big reason I bought mine is no electronics.

1500 can go pretty far with Backwoods. The G2 Chubby is a good option. I like the Chubby 3400 at 799.00 including shipping. Check them out.

Now being that you have kids like me. I got a 2 year old and 4 year old. Consider warm up time on cabinets about an hour. 45 mins to hit temp and 15 mins to settle in and have a solid fire once temp hits. Pellet grills 10 mins. Cabinets only work when you have a day off. Pellet grills all week. Flavor is better on a cabinet imo but a pellet grill gets more cook time.

Do you have time for warm up and getting up early morning to build a fire? Not hard but time consuming. Hurry when you build a fire and it won't be stable. I plan a minimum 1 hour. Build fire, season and inject your meat. Let the smoker settle into temp. Put meat on and you might have to make adjustments for fine tuning over an hour. Once thats done it will run solid all day long.
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You might consider buying from All Things BBQ. They have the YS480 for $1228 plus shipping. Shipping on my YS640 to OK was going to be around $200. I ended up getting free shipping because they had a special if I bought the black comp cart I got SS shelf upgrade and free shipping. You might ask, if they have any specials. But even if they don't you are looking at $1428, and by ordering, you won't have to pay sales tax.
Also, Yoder owns All Things BBQ so you’d actually be buying direct from Yoder.
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