What if Rule Change Suggestion

BigJimsBBQ · 12-20-2009, 08:08 AM

Here is my suggestion to all sanctioned BBQ bodies that organize BBQ Cook-Offs:

My thought is to have each single meat catagory judging be done by catagories of stick burners, charcoal burner (No Electronics/Electricity), charcoal burner (With Electronics/Electricity) and then gas burners (At the table level Blind to the judges). The judgeing would be on as level as possible a playing field as possible with a difficulty multiplier to be applied to each of the meat catagory's final score (all 3 categories scores added together for each meat). Then take those scores and combine them all to get the Meat and overall winners.

I would have the difficulty multiplier something like the following:
Log Burners - X 1.3
Charcoal Burner (No Electronics/Electricity) - 1.2
Charcoal Burner (With Electronics/Electricity) - 1.1
Gas Burner - 1.0

This would also get the gas Burners in the event and I believe we would see 200 Teams where we see only 20-30 today in the pro devision. I think that the backyard would also be full with gassers.

What do you think?

monty3777 · 12-20-2009, 08:15 AM

Seems like you have put a lot of good thought into all this. I use a stick burner myself. However, when I lose to a team that uses another kind of smoker I assume that they are:
1. Better cooks
2. Harder workers.

I don't see any need whatsoever to differentiate between cookers and types of cookers. As far as I'm concerned - let folks use whatever they want. It will always come down to ability and hard work, IMO. As for difficulty - I can't imagine how difficult it is to deal with power shortages, fried "boards" and stuck augers. Heck, all I have to do is start a fire :)

Ford · 12-20-2009, 08:22 AM

Sounds to me like you think a stick burner is harder to use than other cookers.

Or maybe stick burners can't cook so they need a big edge just to compete.

And I notice you decided to ban pellets or are they just little sticks.

Spydermike72 · 12-20-2009, 08:39 AM

That is a logistical nightmare...

BigJimsBBQ · 12-20-2009, 08:45 AM

My logic is to level the field and get the gas burners in to up the Teams counts quick.

As far as a stick burner being fed a stick or two every 30-45 minutes all night the same dificulty as pour a bag of charcoal in and start the temp control device and then go to bed ... come on.

The analogy I gave in another thread is a hand welder skills and difficulty rated against a robotic welder operator. One does all the work and the other just sets up the machine and pushes a button. The weld bead is what would be judged only in todays sanctioned events. Which takes more human skill set and difficulty and is that a fair challange?

BTW - I have re-vamped to include pellet cookers:

I would have the difficulty multiplier something like the following:
Log Burners - X 1.3
Charcoal Burner (No Electronics/Electricity) - 1.2
Charcoal Burner (With Electronics/Electricity) and Pellet Cookers - 1.1
Gas Burner - 1.0

MHO

Lakeside Smoker · 12-20-2009, 09:16 AM

How about homemade cookers X 2.5?

Seriously though, why would a stick burner be that much more difficult than a charcoal (Backwoods) cooker?

BigJimsBBQ · 12-20-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakeside Smoker

How about homemade cookers X 2.5?

Seriously though, why would a stick burner be that much more difficult than a charcoal (Backwoods) cooker?

This was just a starting point to discuss possibilities. I am not saying those should not be equally weighted, or that the factors to multiply are correct %. I am just trying to get new judgeing involved and to find a way to get the gassers in the mix.

Lakeside Smoker · 12-20-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJimsBBQ

This was just a starting point to discuss possibilities. I am not saying those should not be equally weighted, or that the factors to multiply are correct %. I am just trying to get new judgeing involved and to find a way to get the gassers in the mix.

Then how about we allow gassers.

BigJimsBBQ · 12-20-2009, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakeside Smoker

Then how about we allow gassers.

I am down for that ... and let everyone cook on what they like and can afford and scrap the difficulty multiplier. Hmmmmm

What does everyone else think about that logic?

chromesporty · 12-20-2009, 09:40 AM

As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge.

I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll.

BigJimsBBQ · 12-20-2009, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chromesporty

As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge.

I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll.

I agree ... I was shaking the trees to make people see that the reason gassers was not allowed is no longer true. I am just trying to get the discussion here to be "Why Not Allow Gassers Now".

Can you vision the Pro Team Count blow through the roof if gas was allowed?

MilitantSquatter · 12-20-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chromesporty

As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge.

I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll.

well said...

Plowboy · 12-20-2009, 10:03 AM

What if I use logs and charcoal? Can I add the multipliers together?

Gasser and Stick Burner tie at 600. Stick burner gets 30% bump to 780 points.

With all of the electronics that can go wrong with a pellet cooker, I think they should be 1.4. I mean if you really want to challenge yourself, rely on a pellet machine. Takes a big pair to take the risk.

YankeeBBQ · 12-20-2009, 10:17 AM

I think the Gas cookers should get the highest multiplier because they'll get the most crap from the whiney stick burners. It's going to be a long winter.

BigJimsBBQ · 12-20-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YankeeBBQ

I think the Gas cookers should get the highest multiplier because they'll get the most crap from the whiney stick burners. It's going to be a long winter.

How about just no Farking banning of gassers from Pro Comps and no difficulty factor be applied

12-20-2009, 08:08 AM	#1
BigJimsBBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 06-10-09 Location: Newnan, GA	What if Rule Change Suggestion Here is my suggestion to all sanctioned BBQ bodies that organize BBQ Cook-Offs: My thought is to have each single meat catagory judging be done by catagories of stick burners, charcoal burner (No Electronics/Electricity), charcoal burner (With Electronics/Electricity) and then gas burners (At the table level Blind to the judges). The judgeing would be on as level as possible a playing field as possible with a difficulty multiplier to be applied to each of the meat catagory's final score (all 3 categories scores added together for each meat). Then take those scores and combine them all to get the Meat and overall winners. I would have the difficulty multiplier something like the following: Log Burners - X 1.3 Charcoal Burner (No Electronics/Electricity) - 1.2 Charcoal Burner (With Electronics/Electricity) - 1.1 Gas Burner - 1.0 This would also get the gas Burners in the event and I believe we would see 200 Teams where we see only 20-30 today in the pro devision. I think that the backyard would also be full with gassers. What do you think? __________________ Big Jim - Newnan, GA Customized Lang Model 84 Longneck

12-20-2009, 08:15 AM	#2
monty3777 is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-13-08 Location: Happytown, IA	Seems like you have put a lot of good thought into all this. I use a stick burner myself. However, when I lose to a team that uses another kind of smoker I assume that they are: 1. Better cooks 2. Harder workers. I don't see any need whatsoever to differentiate between cookers and types of cookers. As far as I'm concerned - let folks use whatever they want. It will always come down to ability and hard work, IMO. As for difficulty - I can't imagine how difficult it is to deal with power shortages, fried "boards" and stuck augers. Heck, all I have to do is start a fire :) __________________ John 21:9

12-20-2009, 08:22 AM	#3
Ford is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 04-14-07 Location: Lakeland Florida	Sounds to me like you think a stick burner is harder to use than other cookers. Or maybe stick burners can't cook so they need a big edge just to compete. And I notice you decided to ban pellets or are they just little sticks. __________________ Ford Retired competition cook. BBQ mentor.

12-20-2009, 08:39 AM	#4
Spydermike72 Babbling Farker Join Date: 07-17-06 Location: Flushing Michigan	That is a logistical nightmare... __________________ Mike Rubbed,Smoked, and Sauced BBQ Team Powered by Bar's Leak and Rislone RSSBBQ.COM Backwoods Competitor Backwoods Party Weber Performer Certified Moink Baller Past President of the Great Lakes BBQ Association For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know

12-20-2009, 08:45 AM	#5
BigJimsBBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 06-10-09 Location: Newnan, GA	My logic is to level the field and get the gas burners in to up the Teams counts quick. As far as a stick burner being fed a stick or two every 30-45 minutes all night the same dificulty as pour a bag of charcoal in and start the temp control device and then go to bed ... come on. The analogy I gave in another thread is a hand welder skills and difficulty rated against a robotic welder operator. One does all the work and the other just sets up the machine and pushes a button. The weld bead is what would be judged only in todays sanctioned events. Which takes more human skill set and difficulty and is that a fair challange? BTW - I have re-vamped to include pellet cookers: I would have the difficulty multiplier something like the following: Log Burners - X 1.3 Charcoal Burner (No Electronics/Electricity) - 1.2 Charcoal Burner (With Electronics/Electricity) and Pellet Cookers - 1.1 Gas Burner - 1.0 MHO __________________ Big Jim - Newnan, GA Customized Lang Model 84 Longneck

12-20-2009, 09:16 AM	#6
Lakeside Smoker is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 01-17-07 Location: Methuen, MA	How about homemade cookers X 2.5? Seriously though, why would a stick burner be that much more difficult than a charcoal (Backwoods) cooker? __________________ Blog In polite society, we have an unspoken agreement to call our obsessions hobbies. - Stephen King

12-20-2009, 09:40 AM	#10
chromesporty is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 10-21-03 Location: Rockwall, TX	As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge. I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll. __________________ Shiner Bock is the grease that helps us slide thru life. New R&O smoker - Flaco Battle tested WSM - R2D2

12-20-2009, 10:03 AM	#13
Plowboy somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-09-06 Location: Blue Springs, MO	What if I use logs and charcoal? Can I add the multipliers together? Gasser and Stick Burner tie at 600. Stick burner gets 30% bump to 780 points. With all of the electronics that can go wrong with a pellet cooker, I think they should be 1.4. I mean if you really want to challenge yourself, rely on a pellet machine. Takes a big pair to take the risk. __________________ Pork Pullin Plowboys (and Smoke on Wheels) Save a hog, ride a plowboy! www.plowboysbbq.com Todd Johns (me); Blue Springs, MO Randy Hinck (PigBoy); Concordia, MO Andy Groneman (Hodedo); KC, KS (Cameo Appearances) FEC-500SS; FEC-100 (Right handed); FEC-100 (Left handed); Country Smoker Tailgater; Big Green Egg (2-large, small, mini); Cookshack Pellet Fired Charbroiler

12-20-2009, 10:17 AM	#14
YankeeBBQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 02-07-06 Location: boston ma	I think the Gas cookers should get the highest multiplier because they'll get the most crap from the whiney stick burners. It's going to be a long winter.

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