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11-28-2013, 07:09 PM | #181 | |
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11-28-2013, 07:11 PM | #182 |
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11-28-2013, 07:22 PM | #183 |
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The first part of the rule defines what 'PORK" is. It then goes on to say, after trimming, "PORK" shall be cooked whole. I'd say it says it right there exactly.
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11-28-2013, 07:23 PM | #184 |
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11-28-2013, 07:43 PM | #185 | |
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4.11 Pork Collar The board was asked to address the issue, if the cut known as “pork collar” is a legal cut for purposes of entry in a KCBS contest. Opinion: The Boards answer is no. Rule 10 states: PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. Pork shall be cooked whole (bone in or bone out) and shall not be separated during the cooking process. At no time shall the meat once separated be returned to a cooker. The KCBS Board of Directors has adopted the National Pork Board’s definitions which define the standard for cuts of Boston Butt (item 406 bone in or without bone), Picnic (item 405 bone in or without bone) and/or Whole Shoulder (item 403). Pork Collar is not included in these approved “American” definitions of food service cuts of pork. Therefore pork collar is not an acceptable cut to be approved at meat inspection or turned in for the purposes of competition under the rules of KCBS. In the event a pork collar cut is turned in it shall receive a score of 1 by all judges in all criteria as a foreign object being a non-approved cut of meat. Given that reps are instructed to define "Pork" in this way, I would interpret this to say if at any point prior to "Pork" being "cooked' I must be within this definition. In other words, if, prior to it being cooked, I trim it down to something that is not item 406, 405, or 403, it is an illegal cut.
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11-28-2013, 07:43 PM | #186 |
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11-28-2013, 07:51 PM | #187 |
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Not according to the KCBS definition.
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11-28-2013, 07:58 PM | #188 |
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I believe that the way the rule is written is part of the problem. Each person reads it the way they want to interpret it, not the way that the board meant or the intent of the rule. With a minor amount of clarification by the BOD, there would be no room for this. Write the rule so that it clearly conveys the intent and reasoning with minimal room for interpretation.
If I trim the butt that meets the definition after inspection and only cook that which is left after trimming then I am within the rule. If I try cook some of the trimmings, then I parted the pork and that is illegal. Who says what constitutes trimming other that removing what is not needed or wanted? If the only thing I want or need is the MM, then so be it, I waste a bunch of money but it is my money. |
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11-28-2013, 08:13 PM | #189 |
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The first part of the rule clearly defines what "pork" is and then goes on to say "pork" has to be cooked whole. It seems intentional to me. If you trim it to something that does not meet the definition of "pork" it is illegal.
When it comes down to it, I am merely trying to point out how KCBS may interpret the new rule to keep people from getting in trouble. Personally I will continue cooking my 10 pound pork butts whole. I am curious if anyone has other substantive issues with the modified rule, beyond it allowing smaller cuts?
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11-28-2013, 08:20 PM | #190 |
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Don't get me wrong. I am from NC and firmly believe that if you can slice it, it aint done. That being said, if you trim it and it weights less than 4 pounds after trimming, it does not meet the definition according to your interpretation whether all the muscles remain intact or not.
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11-28-2013, 08:28 PM | #191 |
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Correct
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11-28-2013, 08:37 PM | #192 | |
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11-28-2013, 08:38 PM | #193 | |
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Other than that we will have to agree to disagree and I, as you, will continue to cook the big butts whole. But come on, who was the DA to throw in 4 pounds? |
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11-29-2013, 01:17 PM | #194 | |
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Before any one says that the above doesn't mention 403A, my question is about what does IMPS/NAMP consider a valid 406? Also, even though it's not described above, KCBS allows a 405A and 406A (boneless versions), so non-listed variants are legal in some situations. Talk to your rep of course ;-) dmp |
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11-30-2013, 01:43 AM | #195 |
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