KCBS Involvement - Page 23

ModelMaker · 09-25-2019, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ewatts2003

Correct, but if there is a backyard team out there that is thinking about making the jump to KCBS they cannot read the rules on the website without having a paid membership. IMHO the rules should be made available to everyone whether you have a paid membership or not.

I most heartily disagree, if I could I would require every head cook to be a dues paying member of KCBS.
If this backyard team is too cheap to become a member then maybe they could find a current member and ask to look at their computer.......
Ed

ewatts2003 · 09-25-2019, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ModelMaker

I most heartily disagree, if I could I would require every head cook to be a dues paying member of KCBS.
If this backyard team is too cheap to become a member then maybe they could find a current member and ask to look at their computer.......
Ed

Fair enough. That's the great thing about this world, we are all allowed to have opinions, and I definitely respect yours. I just know when I was thinking about making the jump from Backyard Fair comps to KCBS I found it helpful to have the rules available before I made any decisions so I had a good idea of what I was about to get into.

Slamdunkpro · 09-25-2019, 01:05 PM

Something else that came to mind. What ever happened to splitting (and awarding) tiers in ToY? That seems to have just vanished.

tduffy · 09-25-2019, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ModelMaker

I most heartily disagree, if I could I would require every head cook to be a dues paying member of KCBS.
If this backyard team is too cheap to become a member then maybe they could find a current member and ask to look at their computer.......
Ed

What a great way to kill off new teams coming in or a contest struggling to get to 25 trying to get some locals or a backyard team to jump in.

midwest_kc · 09-25-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Slamdunkpro

Something else that came to mind. What ever happened to splitting (and awarding) tiers in ToY? That seems to have just vanished.

It did...it's like they found something that generally everyone was in favor of, and said, "Nah....too popular."

ModelMaker · 09-25-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tduffy

What a great way to kill off new teams coming in or a contest struggling to get to 25 trying to get some locals or a backyard team to jump in.

$800 to $1000 investment and you get squeamish over a $40 (I think) membership fee so that you can fully understand the rules of a contest you are contemplating entering?
Like I said find a member and suck off his teat...
Ed

Beer Belly BBQ · 09-25-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ModelMaker

$800 to $1000 investment and you get squeamish over a $40 (I think) membership fee so that you can fully understand the rules of a contest you are contemplating entering?
Like I said find a member and suck off his teat...
Ed

Its not about the $40. We are currently struggling to get to 25 teams for a contest this week and we are relying heavily on local teams that have never competed or wanted to in the past. This isn't their passion or hobby, but instead they are doing it because they don't want to see a local event go away. Why not make the rules accessible to the general public? If they had access to the rules beforehand, maybe we won't have to worry about them inadvertently having something wrong in the box which leads to a DQ and ultimately costs the GC a shot at the Jack and Royal.

Rusty Kettle · 09-25-2019, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beer Belly BBQ

Its not about the $40. We are currently struggling to get to 25 teams for a contest this week and we are relying heavily on local teams that have never competed or wanted to in the past. This isn't their passion or hobby, but instead they are doing it because they don't want to see a local event go away. Why not make the rules accessible to the general public? If they had access to the rules beforehand, maybe we won't have to worry about them inadvertently having something wrong in the box which leads to a DQ and ultimately costs the GC a shot at the Jack and Royal.

I think not having access to the rules is very unlikely to be the problem.
Bigger question is why is the event struggling?

pharp · 09-25-2019, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ModelMaker

$800 to $1000 investment and you get squeamish over a $40 (I think) membership fee so that you can fully understand the rules of a contest you are contemplating entering?
Like I said find a member and suck off his teat...
Ed

This makes no sense. A backyard team is not going to spend $800 to compete. Expecting anyone to pay to see the rules is ridiculous.

kenthanson · 09-25-2019, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beer Belly BBQ

Its not about the $40. We are currently struggling to get to 25 teams for a contest this week and we are relying heavily on local teams that have never competed or wanted to in the past. This isn't their passion or hobby, but instead they are doing it because they don't want to see a local event go away. Why not make the rules accessible to the general public? If they had access to the rules beforehand, maybe we won't have to worry about them inadvertently having something wrong in the box which leads to a DQ and ultimately costs the GC a shot at the Jack and Royal.

I might be mistaken but I believe there is a new free tier membership that they added this year for just these kinds of issues. You can do some stuff such as read rules but don’t get all of the benefits.

ModelMaker · 09-25-2019, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pharp

This makes no sense. A backyard team is not going to spend $800 to compete. Expecting anyone to pay to see the rules is ridiculous.

OK $200-$300-$400 you should support the organization your trying to win money through. Or be a non-supporter and read the rules from a paying member.
Ed

pharp · 09-25-2019, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ModelMaker

OK $200-$300-$400 you should support the organization your trying to win money through. Or be a non-supporter and read the rules from a paying member.
Ed

Or maybe you are just wrong and this a terrible take. Hiding the rules behind a paywall for an organization that needs new members is literally the dumbest possible move.

kenthanson · 09-25-2019, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ModelMaker

OK $200-$300-$400 you should support the organization your trying to win money through. Or be a non-supporter and read the rules from a paying member.
Ed

Most people are more concerned with supporting the local organization putting on the contest then the organization that is being paid to be there. That's not to say i'm disagreeing with you, i've always thought it weird that to be a judge you needed to pay $50 but to compete you did not.

pharp · 09-25-2019, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kenthanson

Most people are more concerned with supporting the local organization putting on the contest then the organization that is being paid to be there. That's not to say i'm disagreeing with you, i've always thought it weird that to be a judge you needed to pay $50 but to compete you did not.

Having to be a member to compete and be a member to read the rules is not the same thing.

Barefoot BBQ · 09-25-2019, 09:27 PM

This is confusing to me.
Most comp sites I’ve enter have the KCBS rules linked to the site somewhere.
Example. https://ohiobbq.org/

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