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06-09-2008, 09:54 AM | #1 |
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Comment cards?
Just curious why they did away with the judges comment cards from last year? Has to be a system where at least you have to give a mandatory comment for anything below a 6. The 4-8-8 in received in chicken i think really owes me an explanation for the 4. With the skyrocketing cost of doing these comps with regard to food fuel etc more feedback is necessary or just out of respect for all the cooks that put so much in to this.
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06-09-2008, 02:57 PM | #2 |
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I'd like to know that as well,, I judged the event, and i know from competing that an explanation for a low score would be a great thing to know..to get a better understanding what may have been wrong or what judges are looking for. And it doesn't take much time to fill one out. I'd like to see them at all contest.
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06-09-2008, 05:28 PM | #3 |
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Jim Minion and I worked hard to get the Board to begin using judging slips with definitions, as well as comment cards. The Board would only allow it as a test program in 07. Jim, Linda, Mike, Merl and Don were the "Test Reps". As part of the test, we utilized post contest surveys. (more than 750 surveys were received and) the results were as follows:
98% of all surveys retruned by CBJ's wanted the comment cards 92% of all surveys returned by cooks wanted the comment cards. However, the Board voted to not continue the comment cards into 08. From the Novemeber 08 Board Minutes: Jim Minion made a motion to use all comment cards in 2008. Votes were as follows: Gray-no, Kirk-no, Ownby-yes, Tuttle-no, Lohman-no, Lake-no, Whitebook-yes, Black-no, Minion-yes, Harwell-yes, Mullane-yes. FAILS 6 NO to 5 yes |
06-09-2008, 07:14 PM | #4 |
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That about wraps it up for all political type people. Lets never listen to what the people want, lets give them what we think they want. Thanks for trying Merl!!!!
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06-09-2008, 08:28 PM | #5 |
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Why'd they even bother with a survey,,, seems they do what they want any how,,, don't seem to care about what the members want,,if over 90 percent of teams and judges wanted the cards,,then it should have been a no brainer...
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06-09-2008, 08:45 PM | #6 | |
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Sled, was the 4 in appearance that far off from the other scores? A four seems pretty harsh.
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06-09-2008, 08:56 PM | #7 |
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I remember judging at Berk's last year, I gave someone a 4 in apperance,, think it was in pork, and when I turned in my score card, the contest rep asked me to explain why I gave it a 4, and I had to explain to him my reason,,
We competed at Franklin last year (smoke on the alleghany) and we got comment cards back,, some were helpful,, and others didn't make any sense,,but I think if judges got the cards more often and was explained what to put down, like why did you give someone a low score,, or what did you like the most about the entry,, wouldn't have to be anything complicated,, dry, salty, overcooked, uncooked,,etc,,, anything would be helpful.
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06-10-2008, 04:20 AM | #8 | |
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06-10-2008, 04:45 AM | #9 |
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I would like to see comments. Some of our scores were really good and on the same turn in we got ripped by another judge. I don't understand how I can get a 9 on something and another judge gives me a 5. I love doing the contests, but it is kind of annoying. It may make me think about cutting down on the comps each year.
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06-10-2008, 09:35 AM | #10 |
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Thanks Merl. Nice to know the MEMBERS are well served by OUR board!
I think the comment cards would be great. I had high scores in one category and a 5-5-5!! Other people had a 5-5-5 with good to great scores in a category. The reps should really watch the judges and take one aside to find out why they are so way off from the rest of the judges on a turn-in box.
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06-10-2008, 11:11 AM | #11 |
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I got only 1 of those comment cards and it didn't help at all.
The judge didn't score it down and thought it was perfect but just wanted to let me know that it really didn't taste like "bbq chicken". What ever. I'll keep on doing what I'm doing.
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06-10-2008, 11:57 AM | #12 | |
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I'd like to see the "comment cards" from the board members who voted NO when all people with skin in the game (cooks and judges) wanted them! Why not? What's the harm? I'm with Sled on this one - a number doesn't tell us what we can do to improve... Frustrating.
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06-10-2008, 12:03 PM | #13 |
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Would a petition from members work in this situation or just be a waste of time?
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06-11-2008, 08:35 AM | #14 |
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I say surround the KCBS castle with pitchforks and torches!!! Arrrrrghhh!
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06-11-2008, 08:39 AM | #15 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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In fairness, it should be noted that some of the folks that voted NO spend a lot of time as competition cooks or Reps, and spend more time at contests than most. So they do, in fact, have 'skin in the game'.
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