Tell me about Saint Joseph, MI

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Exploring an opportunity there.
All I know about it is it is COLD and SNOWY!

What’s the positive? If there is any?
 
If you like nature, Michigan is fantastic. The weather is never boring, and no burn bans. Most of the people that I've talked to who have moved to California from Michigan miss it. You can even surf on the Great Lakes.
 
We also have internet and technology here, now. And no sharks.:p

Housing is cheaper than California, too. And LOTS of firewood for stick burners.
You will have to deal with lake effect snow off Lake Michigan. I have the weather link for St. Joseph bookmarked for when we go to Chicago, because that will be the heaviest snow we will encounter. But you will have access to fantastic sand dunes and beaches.
You'll be right next to I-94, which will allow shipping to just about anywhere you will need to send anything.
 
Is the terrain flat, hilly?
Mountains or forests anywhere close?
Terrain resulted from glaciers, they scooped the edges off a enormous valley. No mountains in Michigan, lots of forest land in the Federal and State parks.
Topo maps are available online for free.
 
Is the terrain flat, hilly?
Mountains or forests anywhere close?

Sand dunes near the lake. Deciduous forest inland. Rolling hills. The St. Joesph River enters the lake there. Silver Beach is great. Several festivals dining the summer. A large marina for big boats. It's a beautiful place.
 
Except for the SW corner and developed areas, Michigan is hilly. Basically, all trees are second growth, due to logging.
 
Besides my flippant answer to talk to Neil (who you nearly met last winter at the annual lunch but he had to work) St Joe is nestled in a very lovely place.

Its like nature's intersection.

Now I'm not saying anything about California where you live, but a good portion of of western Michigan is wine country, with both states benefiting from the soils being enriched for 100's of years with sand blowing in from the coast (be it ocean or large ass lake as big as a small ocean). The soil conditions in Michigan are the perfect mix for not only wine grapes to grow, but bing cherries (and a couple other varieties)

St Joe is on wine countries door step. 30 minute drive and you can hit a number of wineries that span all the way up to and past Traverse City.

Lake Michigan. Largest freshwater lake. As Phil said when he was flying into Greg's bash, it's not a lake when you can't see the other side, its an ocean. St Joe's river is part of the tributary system around here. Some great fresh water fishing in certain seasons stretching down into the Indiana watershed.

Easy access to various Dunes parks, if you like snow sports, St Joes gets lake effect snow which is measured more in feet than inches, but also lake effect breezes into the summer.

PM Neil for more accurate information, but Michigan is Chicago's weekend playground. No chit. 80/94 on Friday night and Sunday night is packed with people that have weekend places all along the coast and a little deeper in like St Joe's, as a get away.
 
. Basically, all trees are second growth, due to logging.

While in Saugatuck last year, I took a historical tour.

You are correct of course, but there is a little more to the story of why so much sand has come inland. Sand stayed on the beaches where it normally would because Michigan was dense forest, at least the western half from what we were told.

Early construction in Chicago had entrepreneurs ferrying back wood from Michigan to "build" Chicago. As the forest was cleared, more and more sand blew inland creating dunes and also creating the wine soil I mentioned in the other response.

Chicago Fire decimated our city. but the need for massive amounts of wood to replace structures decimated your virgin forests.

Not contradicting you Dads, just doing a "Rest of The Story" that I picked up last year that I found interesting.
 
While in Saugatuck last year, I took a historical tour.

You are correct of course, but there is a little more to the story of why so much sand has come inland. Sand stayed on the beaches where it normally would because Michigan was dense forest, at least the western half from what we were told.

Early construction in Chicago had entrepreneurs ferrying back wood from Michigan to "build" Chicago. As the forest was cleared, more and more sand blew inland creating dunes and also creating the wine soil I mentioned in the other response.

Chicago Fire decimated our city. but the need for massive amounts of wood to replace structures decimated your virgin forests.

Not contradicting you Dads, just doing a "Rest of The Story" that I picked up last year that I found interesting.
Never heard that about Chicago. My maternal grandfather's second wife's family got extremely rich lumbering, so I heard a lot of the history.
Have you ever been to Hartwick Pines State Park? That's what Michigan looked like before the loggers got started.
Diesel Dave lives closer to St. Joseph than I, maybe he has some insight.
 
I've been to St Joseph a few times and it is a very nice little town. There's a GREAT tattoo artist there as well lol

To me St Joe is the quaint little town with a lot of character and just a fun place especially in the summer months. They have a lot of festivals, and are located within an hours drive of many great towns.
From there, you can quickly be up North or into a big city in no time really. The I-94 corridor is close and the quick link to many places.
The outskirts are more rural and underdeveloped, as in city like, and very beautiful.
The State Parks here are for the most part very nice places and clean. We love our out of doors here.

Not sure what you may be looking for as in an area, rural or city, but I'll try to help any way I can.

Thanks for the history lesson Bill :thumb: I didn't know that either.
I had an old friend who used to sail with the merchant marines from Chicago to Detroit. His Brother was one of the capitains of the Edmund actually. Some great stories from the old boys who sailed the Great Lakes!
 
I haven’t spent a lot of time in St. Joe. I am usually driving through on the way to a competition or business in Grand Rapids or the Detroit area, but, if I can, I try to stop at La Perla market for some amazing authentic Mexican food!

https://laperlastores.com/
 
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