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12-17-2009, 05:04 PM | #46 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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12-17-2009, 05:38 PM | #47 | |
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I think what has to happen is a little different. I think they need to continue to go to all the non BBQ events/festivals... use the tour trailer to its max potential... and get non competitive folks joining.... as they look at the site, and learn -- they will also learn about competitive BBQ... and that will drive new competitive cooks.
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12-17-2009, 05:56 PM | #48 | ||
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They are only using KCBS for the service they are paying KCBS to provide. A perfect example is the APWA -- they host a contest, and part of the entry fee is your membership to thier organization. ABA (American Bass Anglers) does this as well.... These organizers have no responsiblity at all to help boost KCBS Membership - they have their own organizations/charities that they would support first. KCBS is providing a paid service. If they wanted to boost membership from the event, there needs to be some other visible/viable perk from KCBS -- not the event.
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12-17-2009, 06:11 PM | #49 |
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My only comment is it allows you to bitch about any and everything that goes on. It also allows you to actually make a difference in how the contests are run by exercising your vote and to participate in the BOD meeting by requesting the right.
The next time a subject about how a contest is run comes up, please refain from posting unless you are a dues paying member of the organization that make a difference in competition BBQ. Smoke'n Ice KCBS Member PNWBA Member certified judge for both competition cook in both live in Texas travel to BC, OK, KS, AR, OH, you get the idea have a small cafe and tea room and DO NOT SELL BBQ or any related products just my two cents and change worth. |
12-17-2009, 06:16 PM | #50 | |
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12-17-2009, 08:04 PM | #51 |
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I think the concept is great, but most organizers would use that extra $ for thier charity, prize pot, etc...
The challenge would be for KCBS to come up with a benefit, that would have relevance to everyone entering the competition vs. putting it on the organizers of the events. As was noted in someone elses example, a guy cooking 1 contest a year (probably entering due to his/her affiliation with the organization/charity) may not see the value... and at the end of the day... the organizers are trying to show value to all entrants. and not penalize folks that are entering for reasons other than the KCBS sanctioning. I do think we could come up with something.... but it will likely need to be a little out of the box... and appeal to more than just the "competitive" set -- to give the organizers a reason to see it as a value for all the folks that enter their events for whatever reason... Or they need to roll it up into a different program... like providing a code for a discounted entry for cooking at a sanctioned contest.... or offering a discounted entry at the end of the cooks meeting... etc....
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12-17-2009, 08:28 PM | #52 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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What is this KCBS you speak of?
small budget teams (i resemble that remark) far out number the big budget teams. I do it because I enjoy cooking, i enjoy competing, and I enjoy the fellowship Like others I will compete in 1/2 a dozen or less contests a year, mostly in the Southeast (home of REAL bbq ), and I have yet to read anything in here that would make me want to join KCBS. I spend more than 35.00 on beer for a good weekend of Q'n so the money is not the issue. What is in it for me?
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12-17-2009, 08:45 PM | #53 |
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I think they should do what they have been doing, at least here in this part of the country. KCBS contests have grown rapidly and now we even have a state championship series where before we barely had any contests three or four years ago. Contest entries have grown rapidly as well. I think that KCBS membership is up the couple of years, but could not find where I had read that. I think they are attracting more cooks.
I do think that membership should be required. I can't think of anywhere else that membership in the sanctioning body isn't required to compete in a sanctioned event. Interesting Ford that you assumed a 50% membership, that based on just observations over the years? Wonder if its even that high.........There are ways that membership can be mandated, organizers fees could be based on membership percentage or something to that effect. If a nominal membership fee is going to be too steep, you are probably in the wrong hobby anyway. Buck up and pay it, its the cheapest thing at a comp. For people that live in areas where another sanctioning body is present, they may not get anything out of KCBS and may be better off with their own local sanctioning body, but the KCBS is far more national than the majority of other organizations.
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12-17-2009, 09:20 PM | #54 | |
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12-17-2009, 09:38 PM | #55 | |
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12-17-2009, 09:40 PM | #56 |
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That is a great idea... I know I procrastinate keeping my dues up, but i imagine we lose alot of members just to attrition from the annual dues and forgetting to pay... or changing email address etc. and they lose that contact/touchpoint.
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12-17-2009, 10:16 PM | #57 |
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What if there was some bonus money available to the winner if they were a KCBS member. It would need to be paid by the KCBS and not the orginizer of corse. Lets say the winner gets a $100 bonus but 3 new people joined the kCBS for a shot of the bonus so the KCBS just made there money back and got three new members. This may not make sence at some smaller contests but at the royal for instance it could be hundreds in bonus money and lead to a lot of new members. I know its not exactly the same thing but there sure was a lot of people using Kingsford Comp. at the royal to try to double there money. Or maybe its not winning based but a drawling by the KCBS reps of every KCBS team at the event, That way you don't even have to be a good cook the be eligible to win the bonus. You just have to be a member to be eligible. What do you guys think?
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12-17-2009, 10:38 PM | #58 | |
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12-17-2009, 11:00 PM | #59 | |
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12-18-2009, 08:41 AM | #60 | |
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All that being said, mandatory membership may be good for increasing membership but is not addressing the original idea of this thread which is what does it take to recruit cooks. I think that you are right in that more things are going to be needed in order to make it worthwhile to join. I think that KCBS does and outstanding job ( for the most part, there are always exceptions) with the way contests are organized and run it is going to take more than that to attract cooks especially in regions where there may be more than one sanctioning body. It would be nice to get more bennies with membership but isn't that the case with everything?
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