Experimenting with Phosphates

Stark-O-Rama · 04-27-2013, 12:21 PM

Hello fellow Brethren! After over a year of scouring these posts daily, I'm finally going to post, and become an active member.

So -

I'm wondering what ratio's work best for TriPoly Phosphate injections, and soaks. Any advice?

jonboy · 04-28-2013, 07:48 AM

Googling TriPoly Phosphate found this...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...09174004000944
jon

nucornhusker · 04-28-2013, 09:50 AM

Stark-O-Rama · 05-02-2013, 11:45 PM

Thank you to those who PM'd me. Apparently phosphates are an unknown to most competitors....shocking though it may be ;)

nucornhusker · 05-03-2013, 06:54 AM

Can you share any of the information please?

DriverWild · 05-03-2013, 09:04 AM

Phosphates are used in hotdogs, cleaning products and enemas

if that tells you anything...

Pigs on Fire · 05-03-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stark-o-rama

apparently phosphates are an unknown to most competitors.)

lmao

musicmanryann · 05-03-2013, 09:23 AM

Plenty of BBQ'rs are using phosphates. Both Kosmos Q and Butchers BBQ sell phosphates with instructions on how to use them in your Q. Hope this helps!

Sawdustguy · 05-03-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DriverWild

Phosphates are used in hotdogs, cleaning products and enemas

if that tells you anything...

That says absolutely nothing.

The reason people add phospates to their Que is to replace the phospates that are lost after the animal was slaughtered.

Phosphorus is an essential mineral in all living things, and is critical to each cell's ability to store and convert energy. Like most nutrients, some phosphorus is continually lost during normal biological processes and must be replenished. In combination with calcium, an ongoing phosphorus supply (in the form of phosphates) is essential to maintaining healthy bones and teeth and proper blood chemistry. Phosphates have been used safely for over 100 years. The European Union’s Scientific Panel on Dietetic Products, Nutrition and Allergies assessed food phosphates in 2005, within its ongoing studies of vitamins and minerals. The Committee concluded that there is no evidence of adverse effects. Food phosphates have been used safely for over 100 years. Phosphates are used in a wide range of processed meat, poultry and seafood in which they perform several functions. Phosphates improve the retention of natural fluids in the animal muscle that would otherwise be lost in the death of the animal. They also act as protein solubilizers to aid in binding processed meats. Their presence results in improved texture, flavor and color.

CBQ · 05-03-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by musicmanryann

Plenty of BBQ'rs are using phosphates. Both Kosmos Q and Butchers BBQ sell phosphates with instructions on how to use them in your Q. Hope this helps!

Even if you aren't buying the bag o' phosphates, most of the BBQ products (especially injections) from Kosmos, Butchers, FAB, etc. have phosphates already in them.

MikeJ65 · 05-03-2013, 02:47 PM

Well, at least nobody uses MSG

landarc · 05-03-2013, 02:55 PM

I think it is more that phosphates and the amounts used are one of those closely held bits of information. Not everyone wants to share, and certainly many do not want to share with everyone everywhere. I have used them but, mostly by using Butcher's injection

Stark-O-Rama · 05-03-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by musicmanryann

Plenty of BBQ'rs are using phosphates. Both Kosmos Q and Butchers BBQ sell phosphates with instructions on how to use them in your Q. Hope this helps!

Thank you. My goal however is to make my own concoction.

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Originally Posted by CBQ

Even if you aren't buying the bag o' phosphates, most of the BBQ products (especially injections) from Kosmos, Butchers, FAB, etc. have phosphates already in them.

Thank you. Not only do I want to make a brine with the phosphates, but my own injections as well. I'm trying to go as SCRATCH as possible. It's part of the fun for me.

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Originally Posted by MikeJ65

Well, at least nobody uses MSG

LMAO!

musicmanryann · 05-03-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stark-O-Rama

Thank you. My goal however is to make my own concoction.

I understand. What I was saying is that they sell straight phosphates, just for the purpose of making your own concoction. With it comes instructions on appropriate dilution ratios, for either brining or injecting.

http://www.kosmosq.com/Kosmo_s_Q_Moi...ture-magic.htm

http://www.butcherbbq.com/#!supplies

Hot Wachulas · 05-03-2013, 03:24 PM

I would stay away from Sodium bicarbonate in an injection. In my experience it makes the meat spongy. Especially in an aged frozen brisket.

04-27-2013, 12:21 PM	#1
Stark-O-Rama On the road to being a farker Join Date: 02-27-12 Location: Orange County, California	Experimenting with Phosphates Hello fellow Brethren! After over a year of scouring these posts daily, I'm finally going to post, and become an active member. So - I'm wondering what ratio's work best for TriPoly Phosphate injections, and soaks. Any advice? __________________ Matthew Stark Twisted Brisket BBQ Team - CBJ [B]Disposables [I]By STARK[/I] [/B]Disposable Cutting Boards on a Perforated Roll, 5 gl Bucket Liners, Steam Pan Liners, Cooler Liners, Stark Naked BBQ Pit, Probe & Grill Cleaner, Stark Kitchen Food Grade Surface Cleaner [url]www.starkboards.com[/url]

04-28-2013, 09:50 AM	#3
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05-02-2013, 11:45 PM	#4
Stark-O-Rama On the road to being a farker Join Date: 02-27-12 Location: Orange County, California	Thank you to those who PM'd me. Apparently phosphates are an unknown to most competitors....shocking though it may be ;) __________________ Matthew Stark Twisted Brisket BBQ Team - CBJ [B]Disposables [I]By STARK[/I] [/B]Disposable Cutting Boards on a Perforated Roll, 5 gl Bucket Liners, Steam Pan Liners, Cooler Liners, Stark Naked BBQ Pit, Probe & Grill Cleaner, Stark Kitchen Food Grade Surface Cleaner [url]www.starkboards.com[/url]

05-03-2013, 06:54 AM	#5
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05-03-2013, 09:04 AM	#6
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04-28-2013, 07:48 AM	#2
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05-03-2013, 09:23 AM	#8
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05-03-2013, 02:47 PM	#11
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05-03-2013, 02:55 PM	#12
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: sAn leAnDRo, CA	I think it is more that phosphates and the amounts used are one of those closely held bits of information. Not everyone wants to share, and certainly many do not want to share with everyone everywhere. I have used them but, mostly by using Butcher's injection __________________ [COLOR=DarkGreen][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=1]me: I don't drink anymore Yelonutz: me either, but, then again, I don't drink any less [/SIZE][/COLOR][/COLOR][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkRed] [COLOR=Pink]SSS[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE]

05-03-2013, 03:24 PM	#15
Hot Wachulas On the road to being a farker Join Date: 02-03-10 Location: Lakeland Florida	I would stay away from Sodium bicarbonate in an injection. In my experience it makes the meat spongy. Especially in an aged frozen brisket.