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12-31-2011, 09:10 PM | #1 |
is One Chatty Farker
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Certified KCBS Judge
I was wondering if KCBS judges are compensated for their time....other than getting to eat free BBQ.
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12-31-2011, 09:25 PM | #2 |
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No, they're not compensated. Many spend a lot of time and money traveling to and from competitions. They're in it for many reasons. Some cook also and it helps to see what judges are looking for, some are backyard cooks, some just because they love BBQ.
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12-31-2011, 09:29 PM | #3 |
is One Chatty Farker
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Thank u sir
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12-31-2011, 10:46 PM | #4 |
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Although you do realize that a Master CBJ gets exactly double what a regular CBJ gets, right?
Really, I do it because I have a lot of friends who are cooks and I enjoy visiting with them on Friday evening and then after judging and at the awards. This is a hobby / sport / obsession that does cost a bit when you add up the miles that I travel doing 12 to 15 contests a year and dragging my 30 foot fifth wheel around the country. But then again - I don't have near the $$$ wrapped up in this that the average cook team does .
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12-31-2011, 11:35 PM | #5 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 11-23-10
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With KCBS and MBN judging there is NO compensation for judging, and some events even require the judge to pay an entry fee to judge. A few of the North Carolina Pork Council events that I judge actually pay the judges $50 for judging a competition.
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01-01-2012, 12:32 AM | #6 |
is One Chatty Farker
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Judges get paid nothing but you have to also understand that there are about 60,000 who have passed the CBJ course and zero have failed the course so the value is pretty much nil.
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01-01-2012, 01:20 AM | #7 |
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Ray, I hope you're questioning the value of the certification course and not the value of judges. Many of us study and practice prep,cooking,flavor profiles and other components of good tasting, competition quality bbq. I and many others I've met try very hard to be good judges. My wife and I traveled over 7000 miles last year to judge various contests. It gets a little old when we hear others denounce the quality of judges. Some people are painting with a pretty big brush it seems. It's been my experience that when you have large groups of people, both good and bad elements are found.
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01-01-2012, 07:30 AM | #8 |
is One Chatty Farker
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I'm a little surprised they aren't compensated. You have to pay to join KCBS, pay for the judging school, pay for your travel and I haven't even gotten to the time you put in. My hats are off to yall....there has to be some dedication there for all of that.
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01-01-2012, 08:15 AM | #9 |
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Do I detect the cynicism of someone who has not taken the class for fear of failing? I'll bet that most of the folks who have taken the class will not even vote this January.
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01-01-2012, 09:07 AM | #10 |
is One Chatty Farker
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I know there are many dedicated good judges but there is no real way to know who they are. The CBJ program is excellent as a PR thing but pretty much useless for training judges. And while I appreciate some doing their own education it can make for a wide discrepancy among judges skills.
As a cook I get tired of hearing about all the miles judges travel. Hey they do it because it's their hobby and they like to travel just like the cooks do. Hobbies cost money. Very few cooks are making money doing contests. BTW I'm also a judge and I'm flying to Houston in Feb to judge and it never crossed my mind that I'd get paid or get travel money.
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01-01-2012, 12:37 PM | #11 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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Just my opinion, and I have no hard feelings towards any CBJs, but you won't get me to pay to be certified.
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01-01-2012, 04:56 PM | #12 | |
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01-01-2012, 08:27 PM | #13 |
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I personally value the CBJ program and the CBJ's. As a cook, the CBJ program gives me a standard to cook for, however when you have non-CBJ's/celebs you never know what your scores are going to look like (ever get scored down for a perfectly cooked rib and get a comment card that says the meat didn't fall off the bone?).
I average competing at over 12 contest per year and have found that, in all but very few instances, when I get low scores, I just have to look in the mirror to see the problem. Yes, every once in a while you will come across a hard table of judges, but that's the breaks. I guess I just had to grow up and quit blaming judges for my poor performances in the past. As far as the judges traveling, I'm all for it. If anyone of you have ever met Dave, Rookie'48, you know he is one of the most knowledgeable individuals out there not to mention his love of the sport. Talking with him and other judges after the contest has shown me that they really love what they do and take it very serious. I would love to have a band of traveling Master CBJ's at any contest I am at rather than .... well, I'll just leave it at that. As cooks, we should be thanking these individuals for their unselfish dedication to make our sport better. Those who are bagging on them should either get to know the judges or shut the frac up! Just MHO for what it's worth.
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01-01-2012, 11:32 PM | #14 | |
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Basically we have 50% +1 of 18% of the membership electing the Bod . I guess that's ok with some folks but it still ticks me off.
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01-02-2012, 12:10 AM | #15 | |
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