Kale in turn in boxes?

Fishin4bass723 · 09-20-2013, 11:44 PM

Why is it not allowed to use Kale in KCBS turn in boxes?

Smokin' D · 09-21-2013, 05:51 AM

Because: "Rule 6. There is NO rule 6!" (Monty Python)

I think the rule is there because KCBS has rules and this is just another of them. Nothing against Kale specifically, just a rule.

fweck · 09-21-2013, 07:56 AM

Just because...

QN · 09-21-2013, 01:01 PM

kale is not lettuce

swamprb · 09-21-2013, 03:11 PM

It would be too easy

CBQ · 09-21-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by swamprb

It would be too easy

I think that's the real reason. Everything looks good on kale.

Q-Dat · 09-22-2013, 08:07 AM

I think it should be allowed as long as the Kale that goes into the box weighs a minimum of 5 lbs and has not been parted prior to going into the box. This will ensure that cooks don't just take the easy way out and only use the best parts of the Kale. The spirit of the original rule was that garnishing the boxes is to be a long tedious process.

Lets face it taking only the best parts of Kale and using it to make garnishing quicker and easier just ain't BBQ and if they allow that, then it might as well be a grilling contest!!!!!

swamprb · 09-22-2013, 11:09 AM

Blame the French!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/di...anted=all&_r=0

Ron_L · 09-22-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Q-Dat

I think it should be allowed as long as the Kale that goes into the box weighs a minimum of 5 lbs and has not been parted prior to going into the box. This will ensure that cooks don't just take the easy way out and only use the best parts of the Kale. The spirit of the original rule was that garnishing the boxes is to be a long tedious process.

Lets face it taking only the best parts of Kale and using it to make garnishing quicker and easier just ain't BBQ and if they allow that, then it might as well be a grilling contest!!!!!

Rabble-rouser...

Kathy's Smokin' · 09-22-2013, 05:32 PM

The guy on the TV said the boxes have to be identical in garnishing and overall look so the judges won't know who submitted what and therefore fairness is preserved.

There, a quality post from me in Comp.

mep · 09-22-2013, 05:37 PM

I don't understand way kale can't be used because it does look good. My guess would be that it is because it is part of the cabbage family rather than the lettuce family.

I had to alert my table captain that a box had kale in it at a recent contest. She hadn't noticed. We had to give the box a 1 in appearance.

Kathy's Smokin' · 09-22-2013, 06:13 PM

The guy on the TV special we watched was an instructor that certifies KCBS judges and the words out of his mouth were that a standard had to be enforced in order to prevent any judge from being able to tell who turned in the box. If one entrant goes to kale, all of KCBS must agree to go to kale -- and therein lies a lot of extra work and co-ordination for something they consider already 'fixed'.

Rookie'48 · 09-22-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathy's Smokin'

The guy on the TV said the boxes have to be identical in garnishing and overall look so the judges won't know who submitted what and therefore fairness is preserved.

There, a quality post from me in Comp.

The guy on TV is wrong. There's no-thing, no-where, no-how that says boxes must be identical. There's a lot of variation in contest boxes. Marking is prohibited but there's a lot of variation in building boxes.

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Originally Posted by Kathy's Smokin'

. . . If one entrant goes to kale, all of KCBS must agree to go to kale -- and therein lies a lot of extra work and co-ordination for something they consider already 'fixed'.

So why then do we have boxes of flat parsley, curly parsley or one of over 100 types of lettuce (the only exception is red-tipped lettuce which is illegal)?

All of my remarks are just to show how ignorant some of the so-called "experts" in the media can be. I don't know the thinking on why kale wasn't allowed in the beginning but for some media clown to come up with this is just crazy - he ought to judge a contest or two to see just how "identical" the boxes are. Sheesh!

Kathy's Smokin' · 09-22-2013, 07:58 PM

^ That's a really good question. I can only go by what the instructor said on the show when he was teaching the class of judges-to-be.

INmitch · 09-22-2013, 10:12 PM

Ya know.......who gives a chit. Whenever your in a competitive situation parameters have to be set.

Over the years I've competively pulled tractors-trucks, softball, wiffleball, fished all over the northern half of the country on the professional walleye circuits. At some point the governing bodies have to put rules in place. "If you can do that...then why not this" is always brought up. QUIT pissin n moaning!! If you don't like the rules.....move on to another hobby!!

sorry...............that's my story n I"m stickin to it.

And one more thing when I get into compentitive fat guy go cart racing I probably won"t like some of those rules either!!

09-20-2013, 11:44 PM	#1
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09-21-2013, 01:01 PM	#4
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09-21-2013, 03:11 PM	#5
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09-22-2013, 08:07 AM	#7
Q-Dat Babbling Farker Join Date: 12-03-08 Location: Pearl River LA	I think it should be allowed as long as the Kale that goes into the box weighs a minimum of 5 lbs and has not been parted prior to going into the box. This will ensure that cooks don't just take the easy way out and only use the best parts of the Kale. The spirit of the original rule was that garnishing the boxes is to be a long tedious process. Lets face it taking only the best parts of Kale and using it to make garnishing quicker and easier just ain't BBQ and if they allow that, then it might as well be a grilling contest!!!!!
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09-21-2013, 05:51 AM	#2
Smokin' D is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 12-11-07 Location: N. Andover, MA	Because: "Rule 6. There is NO rule 6!" (Monty Python) I think the rule is there because KCBS has rules and this is just another of them. Nothing against Kale specifically, just a rule.

09-22-2013, 11:09 AM	#8
swamprb somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-27-06 Location: Bothell WA	Blame the French! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/di...anted=all&_r=0 __________________ Brian - Left Hand Smoke BBQ PNWBA 2010 Team of the Year BGE's/WSM's/Pellet Pro WSM/BWS Gater/BDS Clones/Cookshack 008/Weber Performer w EZ-Que/Cajun Bandit/Rib-O-Lator Test Pilot/La Caja China/BBQ Guru/Weber 1000 RK Drum Coffee Roaster Follow Left Hand Smoke on Facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/Left-H...462391?sk=wall KCBS CBJ/PNWBA CBJ www.pnwba.com

09-22-2013, 05:32 PM	#10
Kathy's Smokin' Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-16-11 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada	The guy on the TV said the boxes have to be identical in garnishing and overall look so the judges won't know who submitted what and therefore fairness is preserved. There, a quality post from me in Comp. __________________ [COLOR="Sienna"][I][B]"Dragon-awe"[/B][/I] the Vision kamado, and a vision she is.[/COLOR] IMBAS [COLOR="Red"]MOINK[/COLOR] Ball certified by the Kink Of [COLOR="Red"]MOINK[/COLOR] hisself! [COLOR="Teal"][B]When all else fails just ask yourself, WWBD???[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=86"][I][B]Inspiration, boisterous merriment and good food are what Brethren Throwdowns are about![/B][/I][/URL] [B][I][COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Walk in beauty, Dan Chambers.[/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]I am a success in life because I am loved.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR="Lime"][I][B]"^^^ the fark is what u eats the frog wit not? Ban Ban"[/B][/I] [I][B]Southernsmoker[/B][/I][/COLOR]

09-22-2013, 05:37 PM	#11
mep Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 06-11-13 Location: Kansas City, MO	I don't understand way kale can't be used because it does look good. My guess would be that it is because it is part of the cabbage family rather than the lettuce family. I had to alert my table captain that a box had kale in it at a recent contest. She hadn't noticed. We had to give the box a 1 in appearance. __________________ Assassin Smoker; Large BGE; Char-Broil Gasser; Black Thermapen; Looftlighter; KCBS CBJ

09-22-2013, 06:13 PM	#12
Kathy's Smokin' Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-16-11 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada	The guy on the TV special we watched was an instructor that certifies KCBS judges and the words out of his mouth were that a standard had to be enforced in order to prevent any judge from being able to tell who turned in the box. If one entrant goes to kale, all of KCBS must agree to go to kale -- and therein lies a lot of extra work and co-ordination for something they consider already 'fixed'. __________________ [COLOR="Sienna"][I][B]"Dragon-awe"[/B][/I] the Vision kamado, and a vision she is.[/COLOR] IMBAS [COLOR="Red"]MOINK[/COLOR] Ball certified by the Kink Of [COLOR="Red"]MOINK[/COLOR] hisself! [COLOR="Teal"][B]When all else fails just ask yourself, WWBD???[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=86"][I][B]Inspiration, boisterous merriment and good food are what Brethren Throwdowns are about![/B][/I][/URL] [B][I][COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Walk in beauty, Dan Chambers.[/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]I am a success in life because I am loved.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR="Lime"][I][B]"^^^ the fark is what u eats the frog wit not? Ban Ban"[/B][/I] [I][B]Southernsmoker[/B][/I][/COLOR]

09-22-2013, 07:58 PM	#14
Kathy's Smokin' Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-16-11 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada	^ That's a really good question. I can only go by what the instructor said on the show when he was teaching the class of judges-to-be. __________________ [COLOR="Sienna"][I][B]"Dragon-awe"[/B][/I] the Vision kamado, and a vision she is.[/COLOR] IMBAS [COLOR="Red"]MOINK[/COLOR] Ball certified by the Kink Of [COLOR="Red"]MOINK[/COLOR] hisself! [COLOR="Teal"][B]When all else fails just ask yourself, WWBD???[/B][/COLOR] [URL="http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=86"][I][B]Inspiration, boisterous merriment and good food are what Brethren Throwdowns are about![/B][/I][/URL] [B][I][COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Walk in beauty, Dan Chambers.[/COLOR][/I][/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]I am a success in life because I am loved.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR="Lime"][I][B]"^^^ the fark is what u eats the frog wit not? Ban Ban"[/B][/I] [I][B]Southernsmoker[/B][/I][/COLOR]

09-22-2013, 10:12 PM	#15
INmitch is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 04-28-09 Location: decatur, IN	Ya know.......who gives a chit. Whenever your in a competitive situation parameters have to be set. Over the years I've competively pulled tractors-trucks, softball, wiffleball, fished all over the northern half of the country on the professional walleye circuits. At some point the governing bodies have to put rules in place. "If you can do that...then why not this" is always brought up. QUIT pissin n moaning!! If you don't like the rules.....move on to another hobby!! sorry...............that's my story n I"m stickin to it. And one more thing when I get into compentitive fat guy go cart racing I probably won"t like some of those rules either!! __________________ Fowl Butt BBQ..Chitload of smokers, Wife, dog. "I'm simple n I can prove it"