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06-13-2018, 10:13 AM | #31 |
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I love this!
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06-13-2018, 10:52 AM | #32 | |
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I didn't understand @Burnt at Both Endz's post, asked for clarification, and got nothing. So, end of story. I found @dirtydingus's post to mostly be funny. Apparently he has never been to a judging class. Of course, it's subjective (aka "personal likes and dislikes"). It can be nothing else and the class doesn't try to make it anything else. What the scoring system tries to do is to standardize the subjective impressions of the judges into scores: "The scoring system is from 9 to 2; 9 is excellent, 8 very good, 7 above average, 6 average, 5 below average, 4 poor, 3 bad, and 2 inedible. "Nothing in the class material is telling anyone what, objectively, any of these things means. What the class teaches is that, if a judge subjectively considers the sample to be average, then he should write down a "6." If he considers it to be "excellent" he should write down a "9." One of my class notes on Taste, verbatim from the instructor is: "Good Flavor = Memorable, want to repeat." What could be more subjective than that? You want "objective?" Buy yourself a million dollar lab with machines to evaluate tenderness in milliNewtons and mass spectrometers to parse out the spice flavors and evaluate them against a standard profile. But even there you fail, because "Appearance" can't be quantified. Again from my notes: "Appearance --- want to eat it." Sorry, @dirtydingus, judging is subjective. You can go to as many judging classes as you like and I don't think you'll be able to come to any other conclusion. Again, thanks to all (well, most. ), for contributing to my education. |
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06-13-2018, 02:51 PM | #33 |
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06-13-2018, 03:53 PM | #34 | |
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06-13-2018, 04:10 PM | #35 | |
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06-13-2018, 05:29 PM | #36 | |
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Somebody mentioned that their commercial customers really liked the red chicken too. Same-o, I might like it too if I got it in isolation rather than as the fifth piece of six. So it's nothing that I am bringing as a preconception. It's just an effect from my three experiences. Someone else mentioned that the other three meats are also pretty close to identical. I have thought about that but so far at least that's not my experience. My best memory of the last comp was a brisket box that was arranged to emphasize the bark. It really did make me want to eat the meat. It was great and I ended up giving it all 9s. Ribs, too, seem to me to have more differences than the chicken. In pork, maybe there is not so much flavor variety but at least the turn-in boxes are not all the same --- some more attractive than others. So ... not trying to argue. Just to learn. |
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06-14-2018, 07:59 AM | #37 | |
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Remember Roger Ebert? Unlike many movie critics, he would sometimes give great reviews to low brow movies. He didn't reserve favorable reviews only for "art" films like some critics do. Not every director is trying to make If a movie was supposed to be a raunchy comedy, he would evaluate it against the spectrum of other raunchy comedies. Did the director execute on what he set out to achieve? Was it funny? Did it hold his attention? Was there craftsmanship in the acting and production values? Judging is the same way. You might like a sage rosemary chicken, but you have to ask yourself did the cook execute well on what they presented to you? Was it tender? Tasty? A good balance of savoy, smokey, sweet, and heat? Did it look good for what it was? If you are reviewing "Something About Mary" you can't judge it is if it was "Citizen Kane."
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06-14-2018, 09:14 AM | #38 | |
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06-14-2018, 09:30 AM | #39 | |
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I think almost all judges try to do the best they can. Some do a better job than others. The OP came in looking for info, and probably got more than he expected I hope he takes it as intended and found something of value that will help him in the future.
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06-14-2018, 10:21 AM | #40 |
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I'm curious what kind of numbers those well laid out cooked to perfection flavor balanced boxes got from you. Care to share?
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06-14-2018, 11:02 AM | #41 | |
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Re scores in Mankato, day 1 my chicken score was 32.3771 vs table average of 33.0270. So 0.35/1% difference. Day 2, my chicken score was 33.0533 vs a table average of 33.1880. So 0.0135/pretty small difference. Both days I gave out four 9s. Day 1 there was one 7. Day 2 there were two 7s. The rest were 8s. But, as I keep trying to explain: It was not that I didn't like the red chicken. It's just that I was disappointed that no one stepped out from the crowd and gave me something different. And the answer apparently is (as I sort of suspected) is that to do something different is a risky move. Yes, more than I expected but I'm happy for it. And I have learned some things. |
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06-14-2018, 11:29 AM | #42 |
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But, as I keep trying to explain: It was not that I didn't like the red chicken. It's just that I was disappointed that no one stepped out from the crowd and gave me something different. And the answer apparently is (as I sort of suspected) is that to do something different is a risky move.
Here's the reason that no one stepped out with something other than a red colored sauce and took a gamble at the three contests that you judged. There's to much at stake. This sport is way to expensive for people to step out to far. The bottom line is the type of chicken you described wins week in and week out. It's hard to stray from something that scores well. Heck garnish isn't required but there's not a cook out there willing to take a gamble and turn in a box with out it....like I said to much at stake!
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06-14-2018, 11:33 AM | #43 |
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Eh, much like the low brow, raunchy comedy makes more money than the art film, you win more than the art chicken, so I'd say it's a compliment!
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06-14-2018, 11:43 AM | #44 | |
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I’m sorry if this sounds harsh, but rules are rules and it’s the point the other judges who chimed in on this thread were trying to make. It is a black and white issue. And to clarify, I completely understand wanting something different. I’d love to cook something different. The point is, judging based on this desire for creativity is wrong.
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06-14-2018, 02:05 PM | #45 | |
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That means 4th place could have been GC. Now do you see why there is black and white to the rules? |
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