OK, what did I do wrong?

bmanMA · 09-06-2010, 07:07 AM

OK guys/gals, my head is hanging low this morning, but I have to put my pride aside and get this post done. I got a 5.5 lb flat-only CAB from the Supa Wally world the other day.

My goal was to tryout this injection that I got in the mail last week. Saturday night, I inject the crap out of it, at about every inch or so. Tried to use the entire mix, but there was just too much. I let it set overnight and threw it on at 9am. By 7pm it was still around 175*, but it felt done and so I pulled it.

1) I was not expecting this thing to be stuck at 175 after 10 hours.
2) It was very hammy.

So, not sure if I injected too much, or perhaps I should not have let it sit overnight? Whatever I did wrong, it sure was wrong. The brisky was very hammy and like I said it never hit temp. Not sure that the temp thing is related, but I suspect the injection was at play here too since I have never has this happen in many a brisky cook.

Smoker temps were averaging around 230 on the WSM. It was windy and so I had a few spikes, but at no time did it dip below 225.

Any ideas and general feedback for using these injections? I used the KosmosQ.

Mitch · 09-06-2010, 07:18 AM

Sometimes a brisket is just plain stubborn. It takes as long as it takes. Check your thremometers, pit and probe. Finally, wind kills pit temp. I doubt the injection made any difference. But whatever it was, put it behind you and get back in the saddle.

Smokin' D · 09-06-2010, 07:18 AM

Well hello Bman. I'm from the other end of the state and have injected just a couple of butts, but I'll give you my 2 cents. I've used Butchers injection on whole packers only and with good success. The container is good for two whole packers of about 12 to 13 pounds each. I inject right before the meat goes on the smoker and the recommendations from those who know suggest no more than four hours from injecting to smoking. Over night was IMHO too long for the meat to sit marinating. It sounds as if you used too much product also. I have never used Kosmo's but have heard it is similar to Butchers. As to the cooking time? Meat goes at it's own pace and is done when it's done, although around 12 hours seems to be my average.

Sledneck · 09-06-2010, 07:23 AM

When you "felt done" what do you mean? describe it

Sledneck · 09-06-2010, 07:26 AM

the amount of injection and length of time that it sat b4 cooking wouldnt ruin it IMHO. At comps I try to inject as early as possible and as much as I can get in there and then some. I wasnt there but i believe it just wasnt cooked enough from what you are describing.

bmanMA · 09-06-2010, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledneck

When you "felt done" what do you mean? describe it

I was able to insert my meat probe into the meat in several locations, and it slid on in with little resistance as if it was sitting around 190. It was getting late and I needed to let it rest. These 2 factors forced me to pull.

When I carved the meat after letting it rest, it was very moist, very tender. But it was not done; that is, it didn't have the correct texture, it didn't pass the 'pull and snap' test, for example. It was just not right. The best way to explain the product is an underdone brisky that magically was not dry and tough. I suspect the Kosmos saved me there. But it tasted like a ham.

Sledneck · 09-06-2010, 07:40 AM

I am a FAB user , I have never used Kosmos. Maybe that is what gave it the "hammy taste"?

bmanMA · 09-06-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledneck

I am a FAB user , I have never used Kosmos. Maybe that is what gave it the "hammy taste"?

How heavy of an application do you typically use? I drenched the thing.
I have read good things about the Kosmos... I'll reserve judgment at the moment. Patio Daddio gave it good marks.

big brother smoke · 09-06-2010, 12:04 PM

What did you mix with Kosmos?

bmanMA · 09-06-2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big brother smoke

What did you mix with Kosmos?

As it was my first time, I just used some filtered tap water so that I could tell exactly what the Kosmos was doing.

Southern Home Boy · 09-06-2010, 01:28 PM

I've read a few posts about the rare, but not unheard of "mutant brisket" that will cook for 24-30 hours without hitting temp.

You might have gotten one of those....

Jeff Selle · 09-06-2010, 01:56 PM

I use Kosmos and i dilute it to half strength... i have never had the hammy taste with Kosmos, though.

Ron_L · 09-06-2010, 04:20 PM

I'm really having a hard time trying to figure how a brisket can taste hammy. Hammy is a taste that I associate with cured pork. Do you mean that it was salty? Did you use the amount of water that Kosmo specified?

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mbshop · 09-06-2010, 04:32 PM

hammy is usually to much salt. aren't the wally world stuff enhanced ? also the temp plateau is going to take a long time to get past at that low a cooking temp. suggest raising the temp. also don't use salt when working with a enhanced meat.

jgh1204 · 09-06-2010, 04:47 PM

Cured like corned beef?

09-06-2010, 07:07 AM	#1
bmanMA is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 03-02-10 Location: Lunenburg, MA	OK, what did I do wrong? OK guys/gals, my head is hanging low this morning, but I have to put my pride aside and get this post done. I got a 5.5 lb flat-only CAB from the Supa Wally world the other day. My goal was to tryout this injection that I got in the mail last week. Saturday night, I inject the crap out of it, at about every inch or so. Tried to use the entire mix, but there was just too much. I let it set overnight and threw it on at 9am. By 7pm it was still around 175*, but it felt done and so I pulled it. 1) I was not expecting this thing to be stuck at 175 after 10 hours. 2) It was very hammy. So, not sure if I injected too much, or perhaps I should not have let it sit overnight? Whatever I did wrong, it sure was wrong. The brisky was very hammy and like I said it never hit temp. Not sure that the temp thing is related, but I suspect the injection was at play here too since I have never has this happen in many a brisky cook. Smoker temps were averaging around 230 on the WSM. It was windy and so I had a few spikes, but at no time did it dip below 225. Any ideas and general feedback for using these injections? I used the KosmosQ.

09-06-2010, 07:18 AM	#2
Mitch is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-22-07 Location: Lincoln NE	Sometimes a brisket is just plain stubborn. It takes as long as it takes. Check your thremometers, pit and probe. Finally, wind kills pit temp. I doubt the injection made any difference. But whatever it was, put it behind you and get back in the saddle. __________________ Gator Pit Entertainer Stumps GF223 Lg. BGE

09-06-2010, 07:23 AM	#4
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09-06-2010, 07:26 AM	#5
Sledneck is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 12-04-05 Location: Wantagh, NY	the amount of injection and length of time that it sat b4 cooking wouldnt ruin it IMHO. At comps I try to inject as early as possible and as much as I can get in there and then some. I wasnt there but i believe it just wasnt cooked enough from what you are describing. __________________ [SIZE="3"][B][COLOR="Blue"][URL="http://bbqilluminati.blogspot.com"]BBQ Illuminati Blog[/URL][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [B][COLOR="Blue"][B]Disclaimer: The poster does not take any responsibility for any bad feelings or sense of exclusion that the reader of this post may have-whether real or imagined. Reading threads poses inherent risks. The poster of this thread would like to also remind readers to make sure they have a functional sense of humor before they visit any discussion board.[/B][/COLOR][/B]

09-06-2010, 07:40 AM	#7
Sledneck is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 12-04-05 Location: Wantagh, NY	I am a FAB user , I have never used Kosmos. Maybe that is what gave it the "hammy taste"? __________________ [SIZE="3"][B][COLOR="Blue"][URL="http://bbqilluminati.blogspot.com"]BBQ Illuminati Blog[/URL][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [B][COLOR="Blue"][B]Disclaimer: The poster does not take any responsibility for any bad feelings or sense of exclusion that the reader of this post may have-whether real or imagined. Reading threads poses inherent risks. The poster of this thread would like to also remind readers to make sure they have a functional sense of humor before they visit any discussion board.[/B][/COLOR][/B]

09-06-2010, 07:18 AM	#3
Smokin' D is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 12-11-07 Location: N. Andover, MA	Well hello Bman. I'm from the other end of the state and have injected just a couple of butts, but I'll give you my 2 cents. I've used Butchers injection on whole packers only and with good success. The container is good for two whole packers of about 12 to 13 pounds each. I inject right before the meat goes on the smoker and the recommendations from those who know suggest no more than four hours from injecting to smoking. Over night was IMHO too long for the meat to sit marinating. It sounds as if you used too much product also. I have never used Kosmo's but have heard it is similar to Butchers. As to the cooking time? Meat goes at it's own pace and is done when it's done, although around 12 hours seems to be my average.

09-06-2010, 12:04 PM	#9
big brother smoke somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 05-03-06 Location: Ventura, CA	What did you mix with Kosmos? __________________ Peace and Smoke, BBS Powered by the West Coast Offense: Big Poppa Smokers and Simply Marvelous BBQ - "Walk with Us" My weapons: Humphrey's Smokers

09-06-2010, 01:28 PM	#11
Southern Home Boy is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 01-14-10 Location: St. Louis, MO	I've read a few posts about the rare, but not unheard of "mutant brisket" that will cook for 24-30 hours without hitting temp. You might have gotten one of those.... __________________ Pro Q Frontier, UDS (Little Red), "Turtle Drum" UDS, CG Gasser KCBS CBJ#61160

09-06-2010, 01:56 PM	#12
Jeff Selle Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 03-02-10 Location: Post Falls, Idaho	I use Kosmos and i dilute it to half strength... i have never had the hammy taste with Kosmos, though. __________________ 2 Weber Smokey Mountain 18.5 & 22.5 w/Stoker Pre-1979 22.5-inch Red Weber Kettle Pre-1979 18.5-inch Red Weber Kettle 1993 & 1998 Weber Performers Grill Dome Kamado smoker 18-inch El Cheapo offset smoker (CharBroil) 4X8-foot trailered Santa Maria Grill Coveting a Weber Ranch Kettle Yellow splash-proof Thermapen Member of PNWBA/KCBS/West Slope BBQ Association

09-06-2010, 04:20 PM	#13
Ron_L Moderator Join Date: 12-09-04 Location: Wandering, but not lost Name/Nickname : Captain Ron	I'm really having a hard time trying to figure how a brisket can taste hammy. Hammy is a taste that I associate with cured pork. Do you mean that it was salty? Did you use the amount of water that Kosmo specified? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Ron Rico, Boss. You can call me Captain Ron..." Naked Fatties Rock! PKGo X 2/PK360/Weber Q1000/Blackstone Camping Griddle/Pit Boss Pro Series 850

09-06-2010, 04:32 PM	#14
mbshop Babbling Farker Join Date: 06-24-07 Location: visalia, ca	hammy is usually to much salt. aren't the wally world stuff enhanced ? also the temp plateau is going to take a long time to get past at that low a cooking temp. suggest raising the temp. also don't use salt when working with a enhanced meat. __________________ george spam, can't live without it

09-06-2010, 04:47 PM	#15
jgh1204 Babbling Farker Join Date: 12-26-04 Location: Selma, TX(You better slow down when you hit town)	Cured like corned beef?

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