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06-19-2019, 09:30 AM | #151 | |
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06-19-2019, 10:02 AM | #152 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 01-14-06
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During the second half of the class the Table Captains could only announce numbers, present for appearance, pass the boxes along for taste and tenderness judging, and collect the boxes..... we were instructed to answer NO questions, or volunteer any information. All questions were fielded by the Reps and then discussed with the class as a whole. I noticed Monday that the CBJ Continuing Education Refresher Test is now on the revamped website, so I took it. The MCBJ Practice Test had not launched yet. The test is auto scoring, and the instructions say your score AND any missed questions will be emailed to you. I got my score, and I did miss a couple of questions, but the email did not list the missed questions so hopefully this is one of the small things they are working out. If you login to the Member section of KCBS, then go to Judges Portal you can see your contest score history and also the date and score of the practice tests. These are a good idea to take annually. So, it seems there is standardization of the CBJ classes. Could there be more? Or more in depth? Likely so, but what is a good start? I would like to see "KCBS approved" training videos in the members section of the site. Maybe a lecture or interview format. And maybe sample tests with photographs would be helpful.
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06-19-2019, 04:26 PM | #153 | |
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I definitely think this is a great start. However, I do think every judge should have a date of last certification and be required to re-certify on a set basis, whether it be every 2 years or whatever. If their certification date is beyond that, then they aren't a certified judge, which would tend to keep them from judging many contests. I don't know that a complete online re-certification will cure some judges, but it definitely can't hurt as a start. Where the training breaks down most of the time is when an instructor provides their opinion as answers to some questions. Removing this opinion from the instructor is the challenge that KCBS has to help level the playing field. Again, you can't change taste buds or the quality of the turn-in, but you can at least make sure all the judges are starting from the same frame of mind, or framework, when it comes to scoring. This, I think, is what all the cooks are really looking for. |
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06-19-2019, 04:44 PM | #154 | |
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06-19-2019, 05:11 PM | #155 | |
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06-20-2019, 07:28 AM | #156 | |
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It would be hard to demand action on something that was not witnessed by yourself. This could just as easily have been mostly opinion. In your case you could have asked the source what table and seat this person was seated at and exactly what was said. Better yet bring the complainant and Rep together ASAP and require the Rep to take action. You can always do something. Ed
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06-20-2019, 09:33 AM | #157 | |
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How the hell do I require the rep to take action? What are they going to do about it? They didn't do anything when it was clearly obvious the judge wasn't scoring with the rest of the table?
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06-20-2019, 10:16 AM | #158 | |
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As you're aware, the reps have had their hands tied for quite a while as concerns the matter of addressing judges during/between scoring. This should be changed, but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. Personally, I have been talked to on multiple occasions by reps early in my judging "career", and believe it should be allowed to continue. When I would write a low score, I assumed that the rep would come over to speak with me, and I sure as hell better have a good explanation and a comment card ready for them. How is this a bad thing? If I run for (and get elected) to the Board in 2020, my only platform issue will be the immediate implementation of a real-time judge correction directive ...
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06-20-2019, 10:27 AM | #159 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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If a Rep counsels a judge, and their scoring changes every entry that lands on that table subsequent to said counseling has an advantage. If nothing is said, until after judging is complete each team had the same opportunity to land on that table.
If you are going to be consistent, and want Rep intervention during judging for the outlier you need to get on board with the mystical and magical judge seating program:)
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06-20-2019, 11:05 AM | #160 |
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What does that judge seating program have anything to do with calling out ****ty judges?
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06-20-2019, 11:10 AM | #161 | ||
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I suppose you could cheat or have the rules and Judges Handbook in front of you when taking any online test including the current practice test, but they could incorporate a timer to discourage that. Have you taken the online practice test, and if so... what did you think of the caliber of the questions themselves?
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06-20-2019, 11:12 AM | #162 | |
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Tbh. I have watched you post on this board for years now and I don’t think you have the right mindset to be an effective board member. You would be better served to be on the judging committee and implement change there.
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06-20-2019, 11:54 AM | #163 | |
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I couldn't agree more . At least now, when friends ask me if I'm going to run, I'll direct them to this thread
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06-20-2019, 12:04 PM | #164 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I formed my opinion about counseling or removing judges during the first year of Sam's Club. At the Austin local I believe two judges were dismissed due to low scores. Afterwards it came up while I was around a very well known, and successful cook, that I know you know. He wasn't pleased and his rational was that every team should have had the opportunity to hit that same table. I can't argue with that logic. I believe that the same applies to counseling a judge about their scoring during judging. If they adjust, every entry they judged prior is at a disadvantage. The organization responsible for administering a fair and unbiased contest will have a direct impact on the outcome. Based on your posts, you believe that judge seating is a train wreck. I haven't researched the results enough to pick a side in that debate. I don't support seating judges based on their scoring average for a number of reasons, but what I personally believe isn't relevant here. By seating the judges KCBS is having a direct impact on the results. In your public opinion it's a negative impact. In the opinion of those that support the policy it's positive. What can't be debated is that KCBS has a direct impact, either positive or negative, on the outcome of the contest. If influencing a judge to change their scoring is fair game, deciding where judges sit based on HOW THEY SCORE should be as well. Finally, before getting back to work, my initial post wasn't directed at you specifically. You've been vocal about these issues and it's representative of the way a lot of people feel. If you took it any other way, feel free to shoot me a PM.
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06-21-2019, 09:54 AM | #165 | |
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I don't think we should pull a judge during the contest. But afterwards they should have a talkin to. And if the problem continues they should no longer be able to judge. After talking to people about this particular judge, I've been told both her and her husband are known bad judges who have been in trouble before. These types of judges need to go.
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