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12-27-2011, 12:19 PM | #1 |
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UDS -- WSM Compare and contrast
I suppose this is only answerable by the subset of brethren who have cooked on both. So, pros and cons, features and benefits, ins and outs... They appear fundamentally similar to my uneducated eye. What am I missing?
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12-27-2011, 01:32 PM | #2 |
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Alright, i will be able to tell you a true side by side comparison in a few weeks, as i am building 4 uds right now, but if you want to look at it this way,,,, the 22.5 WSM is what? 400 + dollars and you can build a UDS for waaaaaaay under 100$ with just as much space. Thats all i had to figure out. =) Very similar cooking method (especially if your like me and dont use water in the water pan)
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12-27-2011, 02:10 PM | #3 |
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When you take the water pan out of the loop, I don't think there is a lot of difference in the two. You will probably find that your UDS will seal up more air tight than the WSM does, but its not a really significant difference IMO. Once my WSM comes up to temp it doesn't appear to leak too much at all. With the WSM you have access to the charcoal basket during the cook. Are you planning to build an access door into your drum? If not, then that is one + in the column for the WSM. Other than that, I think they are both fairly equivalent. My WSM is the 18.5" model and I haven't cooked on it since I got my drum built. I'm gonna have to pull it out and cook on it sometime though :)
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12-27-2011, 06:26 PM | #4 |
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Lifted from the Big Drum Smoker Forum FAQ's
http://bigdrumsmokers.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=2614 And that is a fairly honest response. Take a look around the BDS site and glean all the info available. I suspect you frequent TVWBB, so you know about WSM's. The UDS threads are out of control, but thats another story!
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12-27-2011, 06:31 PM | #5 | ||
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12-27-2011, 06:37 PM | #6 |
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I have never used the door on my WSM during any cook, so that feature is a wash for me, I do have the Cajun Bandit stainless door though.
Personally I find myself using my WSM more than the UDS but its mostly because I don't like the way I built my firebasket. I am making a new one in the next couple of weeks and building a second UDS. I don't regret buying the 22.5 WSM but I payed way under retail for it. Both my UDS 's will have been built for around 100 bucks. For how well they perform I always recommend them before a WSM.
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12-27-2011, 06:50 PM | #7 |
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Why, Dave? You've already got your WSM. Are you thinking about going the way of the UDS???
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12-27-2011, 07:11 PM | #8 | ||
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1. Proven design, works right out of the box - There are thousands of WSMs out there and they just work. Most UDS just work as well, but how many posts have we seen from someone trying to get control of their temperature because they didn't use the right size intakes or exhausts. Building something yourself always has risks that you screwed something up. 2. Excellent customer service. Weber backs their products and if there is a problem, they make it right. If you messed up something with your UDS, you're on your own to fix it. The Brethren are a great resource, of course :) So, take stuff off of a cooker-specific forum for what it is. They are there to support and promote their product. BTW, i have a UDS as well as the two WSM. Both are good cookers, and it would be hard to make a bad choice. Just realize that with a UDS your results can (and probably will) vary based on your specific design and components.
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12-27-2011, 07:30 PM | #9 |
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excellent observations Ronelle... all valid points.
also regarding # 4 - I've not seen or read about WSM's being prone to tip-overs... Have I missed all those threads ?
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12-27-2011, 07:53 PM | #10 |
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I own 2 UDSs but have never owned a WSM although I would like to have a 22.5" one. I have a question. I see some say that you can cook in the WSM without the water pan. How does that work? I would think the meat might be too close to the coals to cook direct without burning it. The UDS is much further from the coals.
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12-27-2011, 08:56 PM | #11 |
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Must have missed that too, I would think you would really have to try and knock over a WSM, they don't just tip over.
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12-27-2011, 09:44 PM | #12 | |
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12-27-2011, 09:56 PM | #13 |
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I've used both extensively, and good points already made. Rather obvious, but still the biggest things are that the UDS cooks faster but the fat gets in the fire.
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12-28-2011, 01:51 AM | #14 |
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RETURN POLICY We will refund your purchase price if you receive a defective product. If you receive an incorrect product, we will make an exchange for the correct product. The customer is responsible for paying all shipping costs for returns. We do not offer any other refunds. If serious damages occur during shipping, you will need to file an official claim with FedEx. This is directly from the BDS website. Hope I did not break any rules posting it. If so, please delete this reply. These are horrid return policies. If I receive an incorrect product, or a defective product, I damn sure am NOT going to pay the shipping to return it. Especially when I'm being charged top top dollar for a drum smoker in the first place. Additionally, If I receive a damaged BDS, it should NOT be my issue to take care of. |
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12-28-2011, 03:58 AM | #15 | ||
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I have two 22" & two 18" WSM's for competition cookers. The Drums that I use are all BDS clones, an 85 gallon 27"x39" with 2 grates, two 55 gallon 23"x39" with 2 grates and a 15 gallon 14"x27". I'll be assembling a 30 gallon drum that will be 18"x34" soon. Yes you can remove the waterpan of a WSM and cook direct like a UDS, but my experience is you get a much more heavy taste, and I've done this with the 18" WSM and my 22" Cajun Bandit kettle conversion (not tried it with the big bullet) side by side with my drum and IMO it has a lot to do with the diameter of the charcoal ring of the WSM's in relation to the size of my drums baskets. I use 12lbs of briqs to cook butts or briskets in the drum and the meats will be done and in the Cambro with charcoal to spare. If I were cooking heavy meats in the 18" WSM low and slow I would likely use 15-16lb of Stubb's and likely have to add more during the cook before the meats were done. A lot of people do not like the heavy flavor the fats dripping on the coals impart in the meats when cooking direct, I used to compete with Drums and some judges gave me comments like "too much creosote" or "tastes like liquid smoke", so rather trying to change their tastes, I moved on to the indirect WSM's, and cook hot n' fast with them, so Yeah, my meats can get done as quickly if cooked direct. If you built a drum and used a waterpan or heat deflector, you likely would not be able to tell the difference between meats from the two cookers, I could not. It seems like most people that build a drum smoker have that satisfaction of using a cooker they made with their own hands, customized it to fit their personality etc. When it all comes down they are all just toys in the toybox.
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