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Old 03-21-2011, 01:49 PM   #1
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I am going to try and get everything ordered to be able to make sausage in the next day or so. I have been making some loose sausages for a while now but since the KA stuffer is worthless I haven’t done too much. I know a few of you on here are making sausage and I wondered if you might be able to take a look at my order so far. Anything I am missing? Don’t need? Paying way too much for? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

5lb Vertical Stuffer - $75
Hog Ring Pliers – $5.99
3/8” Hog Rings (100) – $2.50
Cleaning brushes – $6.99
Bacon Hangers – $5.10 each but I will probably get 3 or 4

Cure 1 (1lb) – $2.50
Cure 2 (1lb) - $2.50
“Special Meat Binder” (8oz) – $3.20
Dry Milk (1lb) – $3.20
Soy Protein (1lb) – $2.95
Dextrose (1lb) - $1.10
Bactoferm F-RM-52 - $15.00
Fermento (1.5lb) – 13.99

1lb Pork Sausage Bags (100) - $6.00
1lb Ground Beef Bags (100) - $6.00
32/35mm Hog Casing (100 yd) – $20.08
20/22mm Sheep Casing (100yd) – $24.67

The pliers and rings are for the sausage and ground beef bags but do you think the tape and bag sealer would be a better choice? It is a little more expensive but if it would seal better I would go that route.

I am also looking for a place to get vacuum sealer rolls cheap. Any suggestions for them? I found a place on here about 6 months ago but can’t find it now that I am ready to buy them.

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Old 03-21-2011, 02:29 PM   #2
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sometimes you can get the bags cheap at tilia.com. They own the foodsaver brand.
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:08 PM   #3
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Everything sounds right. Where can you get a 5lb stuffer for $75? I need one and that is way cheaper than the LEM.
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:13 PM   #4
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It is from Grizzley. It isn't quite as good as the LEM but considerably cheaper. It has plastic gears and isn't completely made out of SS. For half the price though I am going to give it a shot. It has gotten decent reviews.
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It is from Grizzley. It isn't quite as good as the LEM but considerably cheaper. It has plastic gears and isn't completely made out of SS. For half the price though I am going to give it a shot. It has gotten decent reviews.
With the plastic gears just make sure to add extra water to your mix when stuffing the smaller casings (18-22 mm).
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:32 PM   #6
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With the plastic gears just make sure to add extra water to your mix when stuffing the smaller casings (18-22 mm).
Ok, ill keep that in mind. I hadn't heard that was much of a problem but most people strip the gears from trying to keep winding when the tube was empty.

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Old 03-21-2011, 04:31 PM   #7
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I recently sold my 5lb grizzly when cabela's had an 11lb 2 speed model in their bargain cave. It stuffed a lot of sausage and never had issue with the plastic (nylon?) gears.

Not sure if you need cure #2 or the "bactoferm" unless you are gonna get seriously into fermented and dried sausages. That is a whole nother ballgame, that can require some specialty curing/drying chambers etc.

When I put sausage or ground beef in the 1 lb bags, I just use old "twisties" that i've saved from grocery store items.

I assume you already have a grinder?

I use vac bags from this guy on ebay.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:45 PM   #8
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I do plan on doing soem curing and dried sausages so I will be needing the cure 2. I have an old fridge in the basement that for that past year I have been planning on turning into a meat locker. I will use it for dry aging and curing.

The little twist ties seem to seal it pretty well? How long do a freezer life you think you get with those bags?

I have the kitchenaid grinder attachment that I have been using for the past 5 years or so. I do want to upgrade to something bigger but that I will for now.


I was actually just about to say that I might have a change in plans because a guy on another forum sent me a link to the cabellas 7lb one that is on sale for $99.99. I am thinking I will go with that one instead. How do you like the 11lber?
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I was actually just about to say that I might have a change in plans because a guy on another forum sent me a link to the cabellas 7lb one that is on sale for $99.99. I am thinking I will go with that one instead. How do you like the 11lber?
Just looked this up. I haven't used it, but it has a higher capacity and all steel gears at a really great price point, I don't think you can go wrong. I'd definitely go with that one over the Grizzly, just my $0.02.
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Looks like a good inventory. A couple of things I can think of is one, to make sure you have a small enough stuffing horn for the sheep casing, I found out the hard way. Also, why order powdered milk and soy protein?
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I do plan on doing soem curing and dried sausages so I will be needing the cure 2. I have an old fridge in the basement that for that past year I have been planning on turning into a meat locker. I will use it for dry aging and curing.

The little twist ties seem to seal it pretty well? How long do a freezer life you think you get with those bags?

I have the kitchenaid grinder attachment that I have been using for the past 5 years or so. I do want to upgrade to something bigger but that I will for now.


I was actually just about to say that I might have a change in plans because a guy on another forum sent me a link to the cabellas 7lb one that is on sale for $99.99. I am thinking I will go with that one instead. How do you like the 11lber?
I think the twisties seal as good as tape would. I tend to use up my burger/sausage pretty quick so not in freezer more then 6 months.

I haven't had an opportunity to use the 11lb but the things a beast. I love the fact it has 2 speeds as that will save a lot of cranking when raising the plunger back up to remove the cylinder. I think the casings will slide onto the stainless nozzles easier then the plastic ones that come with the Grizzly. I never could get 5 lbs in that thing anyways. more like 4 1/2 or so.
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Just looked this up. I haven't used it, but it has a higher capacity and all steel gears at a really great price point, I don't think you can go wrong. I'd definitely go with that one over the Grizzly, just my $0.02.
My thoughts exactly.

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Looks like a good inventory. A couple of things I can think of is one, to make sure you have a small enough stuffing horn for the sheep casing, I found out the hard way. Also, why order powdered milk and soy protein?
Honestly? Because they are cheap and used quite a bit on the charcuterie recipes.
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Honestly? Because they are cheap and used quite a bit on the charcuterie recipes.
I was curious about that because they are pretty much interchangeable in formulations , both binders. I've only used dry milk and never used the soy, didn't know if you had a specific preference in where you were using them. Thanks!
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:36 PM   #14
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Ok, I have reworked my order some. Since cabelas has free shipping over $150 I added some stuff to that order and now won't be getting anything from Sausagemaker.com (was only getting 3 things from there to begin with) so that will save me some cost from shipping that.

I am getting the 7lb SS stuffer from cabelas instead of the cheap one from grizzley.
Won't be getting the Bactoferm or Fermento
Getting a home pak of sheep casing instead of a hak
Replace the ring pliers and rings with the bag tape sealer to get the cabelas order over $150
Adding encapsualted citric acid since someone on another forum reccomended using that instead of the fermento or bactoferm (I need to do some more reading on that though)
Adding a medium sized meat lug with lid.
And adding a 3rd bacon hanger.

All this and the price is $0.82 cents more than my original list. Sounds good to me for $243.03.


That doesn't include the vac rolls though.
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special meat binder and dry milk are just about the same thing and used for the same thing. Just to let ya know
Also powder dextrose can be substituted with a ultimate chopper and sugar. in essence you make powder sugar with out the corn starch. ratio's are a little diffirent but you can find those I am pretty sure it is minus 30%
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