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07-16-2013, 11:00 AM | #91 | ||
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07-16-2013, 11:05 AM | #92 | |
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.. and again I think the new scoring is good. I am just afraid of how it will be used to single out judges and influence their scoring.
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07-16-2013, 11:39 AM | #93 |
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I would have left the Sam's Club contest last week wondering what went wrong with my brisket even though I cooked a good brisket. Based on past contest I figured a top 5 finish (my average in brisket this year is 168 over 14 contests) as this was one of the better briskets I have cooked this year, but finished 20th OA.
The new sheets showed that my brisket was at table 2. Table 2 had two total top 10 finishes. A 7th in ribs by Pig Skin and an 8th in pork. I talked to Scott before awards and he said he was happy with his ribs...which usually is a bad thing for the rest of us At the brisket table I was with Tippy Canoe. Joe said that he cooked a good brisket too but finished 15th OA. Table 4 had the following rankings (29 teams): Chicken: 21, 22, 25, 26, 28, 29 Ribs: 7, 21, 23, 27, 29 Pork: 8, 15, 22, 26, 27, 28 Brisket: 15, 20, 26, 27, 28, 29 Now let's play this out another contest or two and say you have the bad luck of hitting the bad table. In the past, I would not have known that. I would probably have started to mess around with my recipe and then waste a couple of more contests trying to correct something that wasn't wrong in the first place.
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07-16-2013, 11:48 AM | #94 | |
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As jaestar pointed out at the Woodbury MN event of the bottom 4 placings in each category 12 of 16 came off of table 2. Thats either a trend or a very scary coincidence. (for the record, I'm not complaining about judges, I'm just saying I enjoy having a few additional facts to base any changes or feedback on)
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07-16-2013, 12:24 PM | #95 | |
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(poking the bear) You finished in 6th place do you think you should have finished higher?
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07-16-2013, 12:28 PM | #96 | |
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But what if some of us dont want you guys having more info? Maybe this additional info should only go to teams that have not won a contest.
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07-16-2013, 12:37 PM | #97 |
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Sorry havent read the entire thread but...
The next thing to add for each judge is "scoring deviation". Take the average score of the other 5 judges and compare it judge 6 score. Judge6 ScoreDev could be +7% or -5% for example. After say 10 contests judged we can identify judges that score much higher or much lower than average and try to address it. I know at least a couple judges in NEBS land with a ScoreDev of -35% Or maybe even better write a judge seating program that mixes together judges so high scoring and low scoring judges are evenly distributed across the tables |
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07-16-2013, 12:42 PM | #98 |
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This should happen!
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07-16-2013, 12:50 PM | #99 |
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would it be easier to handicap tables at the end?
nevermind. if every table was even, there would be even more .0002 spreads |
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07-16-2013, 01:52 PM | #100 |
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My thinking as well. Once the last judge checks in the rep clicks a button and the computer assigns judges to each table virtually instantly. Again, I'm not sure if the new program is keeping track of scoring across multiple contests or not, but if it is this would seem relatively simple.
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07-16-2013, 02:07 PM | #101 | |
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I would have wondered what went wrong. I would have been 90% sure it was a bad table, but I would have still wondered if I really did cook as good of a brisket as I thought I did. After two or three bad contests I would start looking at making changes. I don't know statistically what the odds would be of hitting the bad table in three straight contests, but at least now it can be confirmed. I don't think I should have finished higher or lower as 4/5 teams above me also hit table 2 and it is all part of the "luck of the draw". I'm not complaining about coming in 6th (actually really happy I did ) or complaining about the judges. The fact is that table 2 was a low scoring table at that contest and hitting that table or not hitting it could have drastically changed the outcome for teams.
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07-16-2013, 02:33 PM | #102 | |
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After I get about 20 of these news scoresheets in hand, maybe I'll take a look and see if I see any "trends". But it's kind of like the time I had this ginormous 119 cut brisket and the fat on the deckle looked eerily like a face. Just because it looked like a face didn't mean there was actually a face there. Just because I think I see any trends doesn't mean there is anything of any real significance there. The only "trend" I am going to worry about is how I finish in each category and the overall. If I'm doing OK then I'm happy. If I start stinking it up, then I'll look at making changes. Really, it's all about how you finish on that day and in those circumstances. Once that set of entries, those judges and that set of competitors is dispersed it's back to zero.
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07-16-2013, 02:41 PM | #103 |
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Thats the beauty of it though. Everyone comes away with the same info.
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07-16-2013, 04:38 PM | #104 | |
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If you have a different opinion, I would like to hear it.
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07-16-2013, 04:43 PM | #105 | |
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