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01-16-2009, 08:26 AM | #1 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 07-21-05
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bws party and fatboy owners question
with a heat deflector installed which model has more headroom for building a fire basket? being that surface areas are the same what are the advantages of the fatboy provided i had a fire basket built for a party that allowed for ash seperation? is there a noticible difference between the insulation in the cold? any other thoughts? i'm kinda leaning toward the party due to weight issues but i don't wan't to sacrifice anything important.
thanks, phil
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01-16-2009, 09:04 AM | #2 |
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I'm sure someone will chime in, but I'd ask the same questions in the backwoods forum.
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01-16-2009, 10:20 AM | #3 |
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Join Date: 02-26-08
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The Party has more "headroom" between the charcoal basket and the water pan then the Fatboy. I had a charcoal basket made for my Party, it was about 9" inches tall, and fit inside the Party charcoal tray. I also have a Fatboy, that I use with just the stock charcoal tray. The span between the Fatboy charcoal basket and water pan is considerably less than that of the Party. However, the Fatboy charcoal pan is much larger than that of the Party. I will likely have a charcoal basket made for the Fatboy as well, but really have not yet put much though into the dimensions. Having owned and cooked on both cookers, I really have not noticed much difference between the taste or efficiency of the two cookers, although you would expect the 2" insulation on the Fatboy to translate to less fuel useage, especially in cold or windy conditions. The Fatboy was designed to cook and entire KCBS contest on one cooker. I have cooked entire contests on my Party, with a BWS Chubby as insurance. Both are fine cookers, and will likely suit your needs. It is hard to quantify, but for my money, the Fatboy is somehow a more "serious" cooker, more well suited to KCBS contests. The lightweight of the Party is nice, but since I only need to load it for travel a handfull of times each year, I am willing to overlook the extra pounds of the Fatboy. I think you will be happy with either choice, and can make excellent food on either. If you have additional questions, I'd be happy to help.
ML
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01-16-2009, 12:11 PM | #4 | |
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01-16-2009, 05:06 PM | #5 |
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Oh Aubrey......Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey. Perhaps I should have used the words versatile, or sturdy...as opposed to serious. Here are some quick points to ponder regarding the Party vs the Fatboy.
1. 2" of insulation vs 1" of insulation. 2. Total cooking area does not always translate to usuable cooking area. 3. Heavier gauge racks. 4. The locating tabs on the bottom of the Fatboy charcoal pan allow for easier refills during extended cooks. 5. The lower profile of the Fatboy translates to less temperature differential between the top and bottom grates. 6. The Fatboy's larger waterpan allows for increased time between time refills. 7. The 2" inch ball drains allows for easy water pan draining, as well as the possibility of adding autowater refill potential to the cooker with a a easy and simple modification. 8. The Fatboy has a "hide setter" option, which allows the Fatboy to cook at higher temps while maintaining a moist cooking environment, brings the cooker to temp more quickly, and allows for a much more rapid escalation of cooking temps for setting sauce or finishing chicken. 9. The Fatboy is a purpose built cooker, designed from the ground up to cook KCBS competions. "Podge", a fellow Brethern, has won the Jack Daniels World Championship cooking all 4 categories on one Fatboy. That is certainly no knock on the Party, but a accolade for the Fatboy none the less. 10. Finally, and most importanly...I just like saying "Fatboy" Mr Freeman, judging from the time, tenor, and terseness of your response, I can only assume that your sometimes fragile psyche is already under the influence of one Mr Jack Daniels. As I am working on call this weekend, do I need to drive to your home in the middle of the night, to try and talk some sense into your booze sotted and befuddled mind? Yours in BBQ, ML
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01-16-2009, 05:13 PM | #6 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 06-02-08
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The fatboy has larger grates and is heavier. The coal basket is larger too. This means you'd have more room for charcoal.
Yes, they might have same amount of cooking area...they really don't. Ribs fit better on the larger grate. You can squeeze more brisket and/or butts on the racks too. I have a Party and love it, but then again I'm not so sure I'd try to cook an entire KCBS competition with it. What I think I'd love to have is an extended Party. It's a normal Party that's 3" deeper. That would be super cool.
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01-16-2009, 06:04 PM | #7 |
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I have both...I started with the Party and cooked a couple of contests on just the Party, it takes a little more touch and good timing but is not difficult. The big downside is your limited in the amount of meat you can cook (I always did 2 butts, 1 brisket, 3 racks of ribs and 12 chicken thighs).
I also agree with the guys above the Fatboy is much more cooker, mjl covered the issues very well. I would recommend you go look at them if you haven't done so already, it will make your decision easy when you see them in person. IMHO the Fatboy is the way to go...especially if your going to compete, I would be $1400 wealthier if I had bought the Fatboy first but there's no way I'm giving up my Party now Good luck, you will love it no matter which way you go. IF you have any other questions just fire away...
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01-16-2009, 06:51 PM | #8 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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I want a Fatboy. My birthday is coming up next Thursday. Anybody feeling generous?
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01-16-2009, 08:02 PM | #9 |
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I too am a fan of the name Fatboy - it must be one hell of a cooker.
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01-16-2009, 08:13 PM | #10 | |
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01-16-2009, 11:19 PM | #11 | |
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The insulation is a non-issue. The 1" insulation on the Party model is more than adequate. Fatboy's inside steel gauge is 14 ga The Party is 16 ga. Outer skin on both is the same. I have cooked on both and prefer the Party model because of the weight. One nice thing about the Fatboy is the larger cooking racks which fit a full slab of ribs. Maybe another option is the Extended Party ? Good Luck Phil.
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01-17-2009, 12:39 AM | #12 | |
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I agree with the other posters, dont worry about the insulation. The 1" in the Party is more than enough. I dont notice any difference in the cooker between hot summer nights and the recent near freezing cook I did. I love my party, but Im sure the fatboy is just as good. The weight was my deciding factor, and the thing hasnt moved an inch since I got it a year ago I can get plenty of food in my party, and I've never had a problem fitting a rack of ribs lenghtwise? Always surprised when I hear people mention that as a problem, the are pretty snug at first but shrink up during the cook. Here is a pic of my first cook on the party last year, 1 brisket 14 lb i think, 3 racks loin back, 2 rack beef ribs, 2 whole split chickens, sausage, and a pan of potatoe surprise, with one rack unused.
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01-17-2009, 09:22 AM | #13 | |
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The Extended Party is/was not a stock BWS. They can make them pretty much any size you want (and can pay for). I think they put out a few of the Party models that were 3" deeper and called them "extended."
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01-17-2009, 01:10 PM | #14 |
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[quote=jrb03;828078]Mind sharing some info on how you extended the charcoal pan? I have been wanting to do the same so I can pack it full for overnighters. I also have the heat deflector from the factory. Im curious how much higher the walls could be but still be able to lift the pan out easily mid cook to add more charcoal.
I used expanded metal to extend the height of the charcoal pan. The sides and rear are 6 inches high and the front is 5 inches. I cut the 4 pieces a couple of inches longer than I needed and then bent the last 2 inches of one end 90 degrees. This allowed me to overlap the corners for strength and slide the pieces along each other for an exact fit. Everything was wired together with stainless steel wire. No welding at all. The extension is very sturdy and doesn't fall out when I dump the pan. I also have the pan sitting on 2 pieces of square steel tubing so it is above the lip on the cooker and slides straight out. This makes it a lot easier to handle, especially when hot. I got the idea for the charcoal pan extension from this thread and then improved the strength of the corners. http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=32546 Hope this helps.
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