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01-18-2010, 06:20 PM | #1 |
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Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
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Rib Help needed!
I consider myself a better than average BBQ cook, and when it comes to large chunks of meat (pork shoulder, brisket, top round, rib roast, etc..) and even poultry I really enjoy my product, as does others.
Now to my nemesis - Pork Ribs. I have tried loin backs (baby backs) spares (st. louis cut, and full rib). I have cooked them on an offset low & slow @ ~ 225, and hot & fast on the kettle @ ~325. i have foiled, not foiled, done the 3-2-1, and while my ribs turn out OK.. they are not Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious...fantastic, wondefrul, or any other adjective you want to use, they are just ...OK. The hot & fast never developed the nice smokiness I have come to enjoy from the low & slow. The low & slow never seems to get quite tender enough without getting mushy. I am not trying to achieve "fall off the bone", just a nice competition grade rib, with a nice clean bite& a good smokiness. What do you do? Hot & fast? Low & Slow? temps? time? what else could I be missing?
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01-18-2010, 06:33 PM | #2 |
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Join Date: 01-07-10
Location: Hazlehurst, GA
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I do low & slow, but at 235-240 instead of 225. At the lower temps, I never seemed to get the internal fat to break down enough. I also like the 3-2-1 method for spares, but they can get too mushy. This last time, I did 3-1.5-1.5 on a rack of spares & 2-1.5-1.5 on a rack of BBs. On the last stage, I let the ribs cook about 45 mins before I applied the sauce. Had great texture with just enough tug to get a single bite imprint.
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01-18-2010, 06:41 PM | #3 |
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Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: St. Q'ouis
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Cook em on a drum. They are rib machines
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01-18-2010, 06:47 PM | #4 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
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That may be the answer for sure. Just haven't gotten around to building one yet. I wonder what it is about drums that make them so good on ribs?
How about those of you that cook great ribs in an offset or kettle?
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01-18-2010, 06:50 PM | #5 |
Take a breath!
Join Date: 12-21-09
Location: US
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Rub 'em, mop 'em after 2 hours, after 3 hours, then pull 'em when they're done. Somewhere around 250-260 dome temp on my WSM.
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01-18-2010, 06:55 PM | #6 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
Name/Nickname : John
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I'm beginning to see a pattern..lol
A drum & a WSM both work in basically the same manner, with a diffused heat source under the ribs, as opposed to an offset which is 100% indirect heat and a kettle which I also cook the ribs with indirect heat (just hotter) Is is really a symptom of the wrong tool for the job?
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01-18-2010, 06:56 PM | #7 |
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Join Date: 12-03-09
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Seems you are doing everything right, but here's what I do
I do my ribs st. louis cut, with a generous rub of 17th street Magic Dust. I use my UDS with an empty roasting pan between the coals and the ribs. I run the drum 225-245, trying to stay as close to 225 as possible. I do a 3-1-1 (3hrs bone side down, 1hr in foil, 1hr finish) During the first 3hrs, I spray apple juice on the top surface every 30 minutes. In the foil I put apple juice, and cover the ribs with brown sugar and butter. Last hour I typically sauce half the ribs. They come out of the drum, get cut, and right on the plate. Try it, let me know what you think.
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01-18-2010, 07:12 PM | #8 |
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Join Date: 06-26-09
Location: sAn leAnDRo, CA
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Here is what I do.
1. Trim ribs, remove tips and flap. I also separate the ribs into long and short bones. This gives me two sections of rib racks, tips and flap. I grind flap later for chorizo. The tips and racks get rubbed with whatever rub I am using. I let them sit on racks while I fire up kettle. 2. Fire up kettle, I also set up kettle with a charcoal holder on one side, fill it with 2/3 lump and one or two small chunks of wood. I leave enough room to allow another 1/3 of holder of charcoal to fit in. I normally use lump. Once the small amount is lit, I pour it into the holder. Meanwhile, I have placed two or three cans of water between the holder and the aluminum drip pan I have added as well. 3. Let kettle temp settle to around 230 to 250. Of late, I am preferring the look and color I get at 230F. Usually my top vent is wide open, bottom vents on the One-Touch system are barely open 4. Put on ribs, flat or racks, doesn't seem to matter, put tips between fire and ribs. 5. Let it go until I am able to poke a skewer into the meat of the ribs. Then I remove and eat, or glaze with sauce if I am cooking for others. I do not foil, spray or mess with them. Generally I expect the cooking part to be 4 hours, it often ends up somewhere close to that.
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01-18-2010, 07:19 PM | #9 |
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Join Date: 06-19-09
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
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MY rig is an old fridge, so basically it like a big insulated WSM, I shoot for 250, apple juice in the pan under the ribs, rub'em, mop'em after three hours, then every hour until done (4-5 normally). I put 'em in bone side down and leave'em I don't bother with foil anymore because I haven't notice a difference (maybe its the pan of juice and mopping). I use apple, maple or hickory normally and have gotten great results. My neighbors love my ribs and so do the family.
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01-18-2010, 07:33 PM | #10 |
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Join Date: 03-17-09
Location: Stowe, VT
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Brine Brine Brine! The Rub Co. or Plowboys or Dizzy Pig Dizzy Dust as a base rub. Let them ride at 225 to 250 - after 3 hrs, apply second layer of flavor 30 minutes later apply the 3rd layer of flavor. Pull off when the rack bends nicely but doesn't break between ribs. I keep changing smoke woods until I get the smoke ring I want - I like a nice reddish brown finished product.
Anyway - This is just my .02 - but don't forget to brine!
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01-18-2010, 08:03 PM | #11 |
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Join Date: 03-07-06
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I don't know to many peopke who brine.in my drum there is no sort of pan or anything else protecting the from the heat. Usually takes 4 hrs for babybacks. In my chargriller o cooked them for about 5 hours with a water filled pan by the hole connecting the chamber to the firebox. Either way they rocked
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01-18-2010, 08:09 PM | #12 |
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Join Date: 12-03-09
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Little suspicious of the brining for ribs.... would love to hear more about that since I've never considered it, but always open to something new.
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01-18-2010, 08:15 PM | #13 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 08-31-09
Location: Homeworth, OH
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01-18-2010, 08:22 PM | #14 |
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Join Date: 12-22-09
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I have always used the 3-2-1 method for my ribs. I use a homemade offset that is 17 in diam. I usually run 225-250 deg. Skin the ribs and trim excess fat and the flap and place bone side down. I use a mustard rub first and then a dry rub. When I wrap in foil I cover with butter and brown sugar. The last hour I cook for about 45 min and then sauce. The biggest problem I have is consistency. But last July I got a call in ribs at North Iowa Up in Smoke BBQ Bash I placed 3rd and had a tie score with Smoking Triggers who got 4th. Got lucky, but that is how I do it.
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01-18-2010, 08:26 PM | #15 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 08-31-09
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Sounds like I am running a bit on the cool side, as I try to keep it around 225, and the consensus seems to be closer to 250. I use a mustard slather and a dry rub as well. Thanks for the tips!
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