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12-24-2010, 08:10 AM | #76 | |||
somebody shut me the fark up.
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12-24-2010, 12:00 PM | #77 | |
Is lookin for wood to cook with.
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12-24-2010, 09:06 PM | #78 | |
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It sure seems that some BOD use this forum when it suits their needs. I totally disagree with your comment.
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01-04-2011, 09:11 AM | #79 |
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I can see where they might not want to have video of all the goings on...it is a membership deal. Perhaps there could have been a separate room set up for interviews and whatnot...I wonder if my "radio" set up would have faired any better since I have no cameras and would not be waling around...I would book guests at times to do spots. Good to know for future planning.
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01-04-2011, 09:14 AM | #80 |
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Media Row just like Super Bowl Week :)
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01-04-2011, 10:28 AM | #81 |
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Ford, with all due respect and you certainly deserve respect. I think you would bring "more of the same" to the BOD.
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01-05-2011, 07:53 PM | #82 | |
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I polled the members once and actually voted against what I thought was best for KCBS because it wasn't what the members wanted. I was elected to do what they asked and so I did.
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01-05-2011, 08:04 PM | #83 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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Well said, Bunny. I agree whole-heartedly. You REPRESENT those who voted for you. You don't vote how YOU think we want things.
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01-06-2011, 10:54 AM | #84 | |
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01-06-2011, 11:56 AM | #85 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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On the other hand, based on the information available about many issues I don't know that as a member I have sufficient information to make any sort of informed judgment a lot of the time. In many cases that isn't the way things have to be. If the board was more focused on planning and managing the growth of the Society, rather than dealing with trivial details, there would be ample time during meetings for discussion one month and a decision after getting input from membership during the intervening month. In the long run, I believe that you'd have a membership that is more informed and more involved. In a perfect world the board would be more responsive and in tune with where membership is on the various IMPORTANT issues. In the case of a decision that needed to be made in a more timely manner, I've got no choice other than trusting that the membership has made the proper choice at election time. I can live that, no matter what the results are. That's one reason I tried to determine what leadership and management qualities various candidates have this year. Competition BBQ is a means to the end contained in the KCBS mission statement; that's a fact. In the last several years competition BBQ HAS changed, for better or worse depending on who you talk to. In that same period of time, I've seen little or no substantial change in the way KCBS operates for the most part. I hear people talk about how things used to be better, and others talk about how much better they can be, but very few that talk about being happy with how things are now. That tells me some things need to change. I think that window for change is open for another year, maybe two. If the membership doesn't take ownership of this society, and the board doesn't focus on what's truly important for the growth and long term survivability of that same society they have been entrusted to guide there is going to be a void that somebody else will fill. As a consumer I may patronize both for a period of time, but at the end of the day the organization that provides the superior product will earn my business. My .05
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01-06-2011, 04:23 PM | #86 | |||
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01-06-2011, 07:26 PM | #87 | |
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Don't get me wrong, considering the viewpoints of the members (and having an open enough mind to consider other viewpoints) is an important part of being a Director. But, ultimately, we elect Directors to use their judgment and cast the votes they think should be cast. Otherwise, how likely is it the painful but necessary decisions would ever be made? For example, if the Board had followed the perceived popular will, the MMA deal would never have been approved. I think the majority of members now think the MMA deal was a good one for the association. That certainly wasn't the case a few years ago. And, more importantly, can you honestly say what you read at forums and hear at contests accurately reflects the opinion of a majority of KCBS members? If that were the case, guys like Phil, Jeff and John Markus would have been elected by wide margins. I think your point was that some Directors may be charging ahead with an agenda, ignoring the views of the electorate. That's wrong too. Member input should be considered. But I think Ford is right here. If Ford is elected, his legal obligation is to make decisions using his best judgment. The buck stops with the Directors. If they make a dumb decision, they are the ones that could be legally liable. Saying "but that's what the members wanted!" is not a valid defense. Ultimately, a Director has to use his or her own judgment. Erik
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01-06-2011, 07:45 PM | #88 |
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I agree with Jorge, Hopefully one day, the processes will be in place to get the board out of the day to day minutiae, so they can focus on strategy, and the future... instead of the here and now. I would hope a process could be implemented to allow the KCBS office to manage many of the contest approvals, requests... and filter what the board needs to address in the day to day functions. Essentially, it is run like an HoA board today... The board decides about your neighbors shingle color, yard height, trash pickup days, etc.... day to day stuff. Hopefully in the future it will be run more like a Corporate board -- That is working on a 5 yr view and strategic opportunities to pursue through years 1 and 3 .. and manage metrics to ensure the ship is pointed in the right direction. That we are pointing to the right targets. And maximizing opportunities to grow, as well as achieve our other goals of education etc. The bigger comps, the $$, all fall in line if the bigger targets are adhered to, and you have folks closer to the action (aka. KCBS office) are managing the day to day.
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01-06-2011, 08:36 PM | #89 | |
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Being in communication and responsive to the membership are of course to be valued. But as Andy mentioned getting out in front with planning, strategy and leadership are the real goals of a healthy board. Yes ours currently is not. Micromanagement and the self interest would seem the top priorities.
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01-06-2011, 09:55 PM | #90 |
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[QUOTE=Rich Parker;1504215]You said in an earlier post that it was voted down unanimously. Did you vote on this topic?
I'm not on the Board anymore. --Bunny
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