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View Poll Results: Do you find comment cards helpful? | |||
Yes | 164 | 83.25% | |
No | 20 | 10.15% | |
Uncertain | 13 | 6.60% | |
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07-26-2013, 12:23 PM | #46 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 08-09-07
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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I love that most of you are 100% certainly how 1000's of judges would respond to a change in the judging procedure. The reality is that anyone saying that mandatory comment cards would result in judges only giving out score above the cut have no clue how the judges would respond to the change.
Comment cards could be valuable for cooks, but also for KCBS to learn more about how judges score. That information could be used to identify areas where the actual methods used to judge are deviating from the intended method as described by KCBS. Judges that would respond to the comment card by caring less about the scores they give dont need to be judging. KCBS should be actively working to root out those judges and make sure that they are not damaging the integrity of their contests. |
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07-26-2013, 12:35 PM | #47 | ||
somebody shut me the fark up.
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07-26-2013, 01:20 PM | #48 |
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07-26-2013, 01:22 PM | #49 |
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Bragger. My opinion, I've never gotten a comment card that told me anything useful...
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07-26-2013, 01:29 PM | #51 | |
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It is 100% absolutely a bad idea to make comment cards mandatory at any given score. What that does is force scores up to the "no comment card" range. Comment cards can be recommended at a certain score or below, but not required. |
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07-26-2013, 01:32 PM | #52 |
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Join Date: 09-03-09
Location: Pine Bluff, AR
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Are you willing to push the awards back so this can happen? Sorting and attaching comment cards takes beau coup time to do it right.
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07-26-2013, 01:38 PM | #53 | |
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07-26-2013, 01:44 PM | #54 |
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Join Date: 03-14-07
Location: Culpeper, Virginia
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Is it my responsibility as a judge to make a team better at cooking BBQ? Of course not.
If I judge a teams entry below average, is it my responsibility to articulate to them why...of course it is. Until a judge has that mentality, making comment cards mandatory or not is pointless. I am sorry I don't know how to tell you how to get a judge to that point, for me it was many years and competitions, both judging and cooking.
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07-26-2013, 01:45 PM | #55 |
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Join Date: 12-03-08
Location: Pearl River LA
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It wouldn't bother me a bit, but I don't speak for everyone, so I see your point. Why not send the comment cards out via email or traditional snail mail the next day?
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07-26-2013, 01:55 PM | #56 |
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Join Date: 08-08-07
Location: Cartersville, GA
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As a cook I value comment cards. Even those I think are ridiculous give me an insight into the thought processes of that judge and help me understand their scores.
As a judge I can't remember a recent contest where I have *not* submitted at least one comment card, usually I average two or three. I don't have a specific set point where I use them, rather I will fill out a card when I feel my scores may require some explanation. For example I might make a comment on a 9-9-7 score to advise the cook that a rib was excellent with the exception that there was a bit of membrane overlooked that brought down the tenderness score. |
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07-26-2013, 02:21 PM | #57 | |
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This would require an hour between turn-ins, but would improve the judging and the understanding of the teams. If there are some judges who don't like this, FINE, there are plenty of judges like me who want to improve relations between judges and teams! More are being trained every week.
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07-26-2013, 02:44 PM | #58 | |
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Obviously they would need to collect the data and then look at it. KCBS needs to have a clear vision for competition BBQ, they are the gold standard, and they need to support and reinforce that vision at every turn. Collecting data, analyzing it, and identifying cooks, judges, and organizers who are not supporting that and then course correcting along the way. |
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07-26-2013, 02:59 PM | #59 |
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Join Date: 01-10-09
Location: Ohio
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We have only 3 comps under our belt, however we were left scratching our heads after a 7th place chicken call and the following comp a 32nd using the same recipe and technique. Everyone has bad days or there may have been that one bad piece of chicken we were unaware of. However without a comment card, we do not know what the issue was.
So in short yes, I think they are a valuable tool to new and established teams on the circuit.
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07-26-2013, 04:07 PM | #60 | |
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