Horizon vs OK Joes

HB-BBQ · 12-14-2007, 10:45 AM

I am looking at a Horizon 20" Classic smoker and the 24" RD Special Marshall and was wondering how different in quality the new horizons are compared to the old OK Joes. The horizons seem to have quite a few gaps at the lid and firebox doors that make me wonder if holding temps and wood consumption would be an issue. I own a horizon 16" Patriot grill that has gaps around the doors that allow air to fan the charcoal keeping temps at around 300F-350F for the duration of the cook. I use it for direct and indirect quick cooks but if I go with the Classic or RD I want to be able to hold much lower temps for obvious reasons. Thanks.

KC_Bobby · 12-14-2007, 10:51 AM

Unless Horizon has recently changed, I thought they were nearly identical to the the OK Joes when Joe owned/build them. Did Roger recently lower the quality of his units?

thunderbelly · 12-14-2007, 12:31 PM

When I bought my OK joe, I was told the brothers had split up leaving roger to continue manufacturing. from what I have seen, they are identical designs. I sure would like to know more history about them though.
As for holding temps, not a problem I would say my Oklahoma Joe is as good or better at holding temps as my Traeger. (boy am I going to catch it for that)

HB-BBQ · 12-14-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Bobby

Unless Horizon has recently changed, I thought they were nearly identical to the the OK Joes when Joe owned/build them. Did Roger recently lower the quality of his units?

I have never seen an OK Joe's in person but have heard the Horizons are identical to the old Joes myself. My Horizon works great, I just wasn't sure how the barrels with the firebox's hold the heat with all of the gaps like my Patriot has. The cooker door lays flat on the radius of the barrel but doesnt seal pretty compared to say a Meadow Creek smoker.

Basicly I am trying to find a big cooker that can be wheeled onto a small 4x6 or 5x8 trailer but that is big enough for catering. My party is great but it cannot handle too much food. We have a local dealer here in Cail that stocks the horizons and meadow creeks so I dont have to wait if I decide to jump.

KC_Bobby · 12-14-2007, 01:30 PM

I've had an OK Joes smoker and still have a barrel grill (no firebox). They look nearly identical to the Horizon's that I've seen.

I'm not understanding the location the gabs you are referring to. Both of my OK Joes and the Horizon's that I've seen have the lip on the outside of the doors. I believe Brinkmann's have the lip on the inside and I have seen gaps in the corner of those. Did Roger move the lips to the inside?

HB-BBQ · 12-14-2007, 02:20 PM

There is a portion of the lid that seats inside of the barrel wall and the lip goes over the barrel itself. They are this way on both the Patriot and the big barrells I saw.

sampson · 12-14-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HB-BBQ

We have a local dealer here in Cail that stocks the horizons and meadow creeks so I dont have to wait if I decide to jump.

Can I have some contact info on that dealer? I'm in Utah and no one here carries any real cookers. But business takes me to S. Cal often and I would like to go look at the Horizon cookers...

thunderbelly · 12-15-2007, 07:26 AM

I still don't understand where you think the holes are?

VitaminQ · 12-15-2007, 10:21 AM

I'm a big fan of Horizons. We have one at work that is basically a 6 foot long 30" diameter offset, but without the offset fire box. It's a big grill, for all practical intents and purposes. We theoretically rent it out to park patrons, but no one has ever rented it. So it sits at my shop, where I lavish it with the attention and care it deserves. That being said, it's a very high quality cooker- I couldn't be more impressed. We went out to Perry, OK and toured the shop when we picked it up and met the guys who built it. It's a class operation, and they do things right. I'm surprised to hear that your Horizon has any gaps at all. Mine is tight as a drum, and holds temp like a dream. Did you buy your Patriot new? I'd almost think that it had been damaged at some point, unless you've got a complete knowledge of the chain of ownership and can attest that it wasn't.

HB-BBQ · 12-17-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sampson

Can I have some contact info on that dealer? I'm in Utah and no one here carries any real cookers. But business takes me to S. Cal often and I would like to go look at the Horizon cookers...

No problem I just sent you a pm with his info.

HB-BBQ · 12-17-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderbelly

I still don't understand where you think the holes are?

They are not holes but are actual gaps where the lid closes on the barrel and where the firebox door closes. They are probably not problem and I could always install a door gasket if it became an issue. Thanks for all the input everyone.

12-14-2007, 10:45 AM	#1
HB-BBQ is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 06-14-07 Location: Huntington Beach, CA	Horizon vs OK Joes I am looking at a Horizon 20" Classic smoker and the 24" RD Special Marshall and was wondering how different in quality the new horizons are compared to the old OK Joes. The horizons seem to have quite a few gaps at the lid and firebox doors that make me wonder if holding temps and wood consumption would be an issue. I own a horizon 16" Patriot grill that has gaps around the doors that allow air to fan the charcoal keeping temps at around 300F-350F for the duration of the cook. I use it for direct and indirect quick cooks but if I go with the Classic or RD I want to be able to hold much lower temps for obvious reasons. Thanks.

12-14-2007, 10:51 AM	#2
KC_Bobby Babbling Farker Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: Olathe KS	Unless Horizon has recently changed, I thought they were nearly identical to the the OK Joes when Joe owned/build them. Did Roger recently lower the quality of his units? __________________ Boondoggle BBQ Country Smokers 450 Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Proud KCBS Member & Certified Judge

12-14-2007, 12:31 PM	#3
thunderbelly On the road to being a farker Join Date: 08-13-06 Location: Brantford, Ontario	When I bought my OK joe, I was told the brothers had split up leaving roger to continue manufacturing. from what I have seen, they are identical designs. I sure would like to know more history about them though. As for holding temps, not a problem I would say my Oklahoma Joe is as good or better at holding temps as my Traeger. (boy am I going to catch it for that) __________________ "That's not my tan, it's bark" Oaklahoma Joe trailer rig WSM Traeger 70 ECB starter model

12-14-2007, 01:30 PM	#5
KC_Bobby Babbling Farker Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: Olathe KS	I've had an OK Joes smoker and still have a barrel grill (no firebox). They look nearly identical to the Horizon's that I've seen. I'm not understanding the location the gabs you are referring to. Both of my OK Joes and the Horizon's that I've seen have the lip on the outside of the doors. I believe Brinkmann's have the lip on the inside and I have seen gaps in the corner of those. Did Roger move the lips to the inside? __________________ Boondoggle BBQ Country Smokers 450 Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Proud KCBS Member & Certified Judge

12-15-2007, 07:26 AM	#8
thunderbelly On the road to being a farker Join Date: 08-13-06 Location: Brantford, Ontario	I still don't understand where you think the holes are? __________________ "That's not my tan, it's bark" Oaklahoma Joe trailer rig WSM Traeger 70 ECB starter model

12-14-2007, 02:20 PM	#6
HB-BBQ is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 06-14-07 Location: Huntington Beach, CA	There is a portion of the lid that seats inside of the barrel wall and the lip goes over the barrel itself. They are this way on both the Patriot and the big barrells I saw.

12-15-2007, 10:21 AM	#9
VitaminQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-29-05 Location: Dallas, TX	I'm a big fan of Horizons. We have one at work that is basically a 6 foot long 30" diameter offset, but without the offset fire box. It's a big grill, for all practical intents and purposes. We theoretically rent it out to park patrons, but no one has ever rented it. So it sits at my shop, where I lavish it with the attention and care it deserves. That being said, it's a very high quality cooker- I couldn't be more impressed. We went out to Perry, OK and toured the shop when we picked it up and met the guys who built it. It's a class operation, and they do things right. I'm surprised to hear that your Horizon has any gaps at all. Mine is tight as a drum, and holds temp like a dream. Did you buy your Patriot new? I'd almost think that it had been damaged at some point, unless you've got a complete knowledge of the chain of ownership and can attest that it wasn't. __________________ Shohn ECB w/mods Weber Smokey Joe 18" Weber Kettle 22" Weber clone kettle Curb-foundling char-broil gasser WSM: Assembled! First cook: 8/25/06 Fanatical devotion to the Q

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