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View Poll Results: Do you find comment cards helpful?
Yes 164 83.25%
No 20 10.15%
Uncertain 13 6.60%
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:33 PM   #16
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Candy, first I commend you for asking the question. I'm sure you realize the potential this has for going south in a hurry and I am hopeful people will keep that in mind and keep things respectful as they respond.
Good call Greg.
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Please take this opportunity to help the KCBS better their comment card by offering helpful criticism and advice. This is not to be a dumping ground for your past problems. Candy Sue has asked us for help - let's show her how the Brethren represent.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:41 PM   #17
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Like Ron_L said, if there is helpful information on the card, then the card is helpful.

The first comment card I received was for my chicken turn in at my first comp. It read "Perfect bite through skin". Normally, that would be very helpful except that we pulled the skin off of the thighs before saucing to make the chicken marginally edible.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:57 PM   #18
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Candy, first I commend you for asking the question. I'm sure you realize the potential this has for going south in a hurry and I am hopeful people will keep that in mind and keep things respectful as they respond.

I would love to get comment cards, but in my 10 contests I have not received a single card. I would love to get them for the 6s, the 9s and even the 7s and 8s.

The thing that concerns me is it seems the judges are told if they score below a 6, they have to fill out a card. In my limited experience of judging 1 contest, it seems that judges won't score below a 6 because they can't or won't justify why they don't like something or even do.

I like the idea of having pre set comments on the card. That would provide the cooks a little more feedback, but also give the judges something to base their comments on while speeding up the process of commenting. If you could come up with a way to make that workable, they should be mandatory for every entry regardless of the score.
Almost like a judging "wizard". Just a few check boxes on a perforated pad.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:03 PM   #19
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Yes!
Mandatory on scores below six and the pre-set comments would really help a cook dial in a bit quicker.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:41 PM   #20
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All those comments are negative... Is there a worry that a judge will look at those and grade you down based on those comments instead of judging what is actually presented and their actual first impression.

I only listed an example of some of the possible constructive criticisms that could be included as checkboxes. We felt it would be necessary to have both critical and complimentary options available in addition to a few blank lines where a judge could add their own handwritten comments.

The majority of complaints regarding comment cards seems to be that the critical comments themselves often do not point out anything specific that a cook could find helpful and focus them toward an improvement.

Very few people complain about complimentary comment cards because, let's face it, when someone writes something like "Best rib I've ever eaten!", who needs more details?!?

Examples of complimentary comments could be things like:

Excellent Texture
Balanced Seasoning
Great Appearance
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Rib-Tastic

...just to name a few!
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:46 PM   #21
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I have found the comment cards I have gotten to be helpful, most of the time. I think that what ever would make it simple and quick (check Boxes) for the judges would be ideal.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:49 PM   #22
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I vote YES for comment cards. This is my favorite!

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Old 07-25-2013, 06:02 PM   #23
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I would love comment cards , got a 5 in taste a few weeks ago, first 5 ever. No comment card. This judge gave us the only 5 out of the two 8s and two 7s. O well hopeful I won't get a five again.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:24 PM   #24
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Since the goal of teams not knowing their alternate number has been realized with KCBScore, comment cards will have to either be redacted so as to keep the alternate number hidden from the teams or another means of tracking will have to be instituted.

I don't see the process of redacting as being very laboreous once the cards have been attached to the proper score sheet. Total cost = 1 Permanant Black Magic Marker and 5 minutes of the Rep's time.
I am all in favor of the comment cards as is a concensus majority of the BOD. The only problem that I see is, the BOD member who is in charge of finding a solution, is against them in the first place and voted so. His job, as I understand it, is to form a committee and try to effect a solution. I think that ice water, cold day in Phoenix, etc. come to mind. We'll see.
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Almost like a judging "wizard". Just a few check boxes on a perforated pad.
YES! Answers the question of consistency, but allows for personal tastes to enter the equation.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:23 PM   #26
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For us being new to competition it is very helpful to us to have the comment card. We have no idea on what to improve on. We have to shoot from the hip.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:55 PM   #27
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We find them very helpful over the course of the season sort of a barometer of how our meats are fairing in the long run. The occasional "off the wall" comment is usually worth a laugh or a few cuss words...lol!
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:33 PM   #28
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I vote YES for comment cards. This is my favorite!

Alright rich ....
U received a 78& .... With a good comment .... Do you change anything
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:44 PM   #29
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In 2011, the KCBS Rules Committee suggested that comment cards be modified so that there were check boxes that said things like:

Too Salty
Too Sweet
Too Spicey
Under Seasoned
Off Flavor
Over Cooked
Under Cooked

This idea was never addressed to the best of my knowledge but it sure seemed like a very good improvement to those of us on the committee.


THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS!

If sonething along the lines were put into place and made mandatory for scores 7 and below, I might be moved enough to purchase a LIFETIME KCBS MEMBERSHIP!!!
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:52 PM   #30
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I like the comment cards, I think I think that a well written informative card for either a good or bad entry provides the cook with valuable information.

I also think they can be used as a way to provide valuable information about judges and what their thought process may be and provide for more accountability.

Are the cards reviewed by the Table Captains and reps before the teams get them?
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