The BBQ BRETHREN FORUMS.


Forum Portal Recipes Smoke Signals Magazine Welocme Merchandise Associations Purchase Subscription Brethren Banners
Go Back   The BBQ BRETHREN FORUMS. > Discussion Area > Q-talk

Notices

Q-talk *ON TOPIC ONLY* QUALITY ON TOPIC discussion of Backyard BBQ, grilling, Equipment and just outdoor cookin' in general, hints, tips, tricks & techniques, success, failures... but stay on topic. And watch for that hijacking.


Reply
Thread Tools
Unread 03-29-2008, 02:13 PM   #1
BBQ Bandit
Babbling Farker

 
BBQ Bandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-15-08
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
Question Barrel mod ala UDS

Got a question that needs to be asked.

Currently designing my double barrel smoker and was pondering of eliminating the side firebox door because of designing/cutting a lifting door for the lower barrel.

That direction would retain the original shape and bung holes... see what I see? If I position and rotate the sealed barrel so the largest 2" NPT hole is on the bottom (6:00 position), that placement is screaming for a 2" ball valve/pipe arrangement very much like the UDS set-up.

Based on area (3.14 * (r^2)) leaves a few similarities...

On most UDS I've read: (4) 1" holes for incoming air equals 3.14 sq. inches.
Using the 2" bung hole/valve roughly equals the same amount in square inches (3.14)

Am I going in a semi-lucid direction? Please advise...
__________________
Cooking at Mason-Dixon BBQ Services
Lang 84 Deluxe Kitchen known as "The Glamazon" , Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, and a 22.5 WSM

Former smokers;
Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, Bubba Keg Grill - RIP, Double Barrel Smoker and a BSKD

Last edited by BBQ Bandit; 03-29-2008 at 02:41 PM..
BBQ Bandit is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-29-2008, 02:43 PM   #2
Thawley
Take a breath!
 
Thawley's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-17-07
Location: Disneyland
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default Air Control

I'm not qualified to check your math, but I use the 2" bung as my air inlet and it is NEVER used wide open for smoking. Usually more like ⅛ to ¼ open for 225-240 degrees.

I do open it all the way for cleaning (its a self-cleaning smoker, you see...) and that will give me a temp of 350-375 (burning Rancher bricks and living in SoCal). That is plenty hot enough to burn off the moisture and much of the grease after a half hour or so.

Another idea I've been toying with is using an automotive throttle body instead of a ball valve. From the right salvage yard or swap shop, its bound to be cheaper than a new 2" ball valve. Its shorter. And with a little work it can just be bolted onto the drum rather than threaded onto a nipple (making it stick out farther still.) Its spring loaded butterfly and cable actuation are just begging for creative mechanisms and linkages for actuation. Cessna aircraft style throttle control is my current thinking. But I also like the trick little levers the ALMS and World Challenge cars use for their adjustable sway bars...



Its just possible I spend more time thinking about this stuff than I should. I'm not sure though.
__________________
E. John Thawley III
UUDS™
Thawley on Tumblr
Thawley is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-29-2008, 03:13 PM   #3
Dr_KY
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Dr_KY's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-15-07
Location: England
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

2'' bal valves are cheap. lol

__________________
www.drsweetsmoke.com

Slappin that bass like some delerious funky preist!!!


UDS, Half Pint (Mini UDS), Weber, ProQ 20, Kegrilla
*250 gallon cooker- 'The Meat Beast!!'*


British BBQ Championships
Grand Champion 2008
~~~~
British BBQ Society - Southern Championship
Grand Champions 2009
Dr_KY is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-29-2008, 08:18 PM   #4
BBQ Bandit
Babbling Farker

 
BBQ Bandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-15-08
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
Default

From this...

To the intended direction...



Will be adding a hold-down latch then completiing the upper smoke chamber. Maybe using big rig exhaust tips later. All suggestions are appreciated. Its much safer doing mods on the computer before I go for the power tools .

Learning with your help,
PA
__________________
Cooking at Mason-Dixon BBQ Services
Lang 84 Deluxe Kitchen known as "The Glamazon" , Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, and a 22.5 WSM

Former smokers;
Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, Bubba Keg Grill - RIP, Double Barrel Smoker and a BSKD

Last edited by BBQ Bandit; 03-29-2008 at 08:58 PM..
BBQ Bandit is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-29-2008, 08:44 PM   #5
chinesebob
is One Chatty Farker
 
chinesebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-07-07
Location: Westerville,OH
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

That long tube is going to be your air intake? It looks sweet. Is that the double barrel heater kit?
__________________
Chinesebob - Central Ohio
A Chinese speaking white guy in search of the perfect bbq.
chinesebob is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-29-2008, 08:54 PM   #6
Norcoredneck
somebody shut me the fark up.
 
Norcoredneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-11-06
Location: Norco, Ca.
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_KY View Post
2'' bal valves are cheap. lol


Bling Bling, Cha-Ching $$$

Did the seat of your pants make sparks the day you left work with that tucked in your drawers?
__________________
Low and Slow.....

The Prontologist is in...
Ok let's see your Butt!
Norcoredneck is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-29-2008, 09:00 PM   #7
BBQ Bandit
Babbling Farker

 
BBQ Bandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-15-08
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chinesebob View Post
That long tube is going to be your air intake? It looks sweet. Is that the double barrel heater kit?
Yes sir... on both counts.

Burnin' them brain cells on a turbo-charged rate...
PA
__________________
Cooking at Mason-Dixon BBQ Services
Lang 84 Deluxe Kitchen known as "The Glamazon" , Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, and a 22.5 WSM

Former smokers;
Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, Bubba Keg Grill - RIP, Double Barrel Smoker and a BSKD
BBQ Bandit is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-30-2008, 11:55 AM   #8
icemn62
Babbling Farker
 
icemn62's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-10-04
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

I like the design, keep us informed how it comes out, I was going to go this route, but I spoke with BigMista and went to the place he had his 1st UDS made. The guy just could not understand what I was after. The bottom barrel is to be your firebox / grill unit, and most of your smoking done in the top barrel?
__________________
Weber Kettle, WSM, CharBroil Gas Grill, George Foreman Grilll

I AM LOVING THE SMOKE


WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are tougher,smarter, faster and better looking than most people.
icemn62 is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-30-2008, 01:07 PM   #9
Dr_KY
Quintessential Chatty Farker
 
Dr_KY's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-15-07
Location: England
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by Norcoredneck View Post
Bling Bling, Cha-Ching $$$

Did the seat of your pants make sparks the day you left work with that tucked in your drawers?
Hahahahahahahaa!

Nahhh I walked straight through and past the managers office with it in my hands whilst dancing a jig. He stopped me and asked what his percentage of BBQ was going to be after the weekend.
__________________
www.drsweetsmoke.com

Slappin that bass like some delerious funky preist!!!


UDS, Half Pint (Mini UDS), Weber, ProQ 20, Kegrilla
*250 gallon cooker- 'The Meat Beast!!'*


British BBQ Championships
Grand Champion 2008
~~~~
British BBQ Society - Southern Championship
Grand Champions 2009
Dr_KY is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-30-2008, 01:13 PM   #10
Thawley
Take a breath!
 
Thawley's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-17-07
Location: Disneyland
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

PA:

Just wondering about pointing that intake straight up... Seems like it would fill up with water if left in the rain. Pointing the intake down would be an easy fix if you don't have to have the valve at waist level. Just thinking out loud.
__________________
E. John Thawley III
UUDS™
Thawley on Tumblr
Thawley is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-30-2008, 02:30 PM   #11
Bbq Bubba
somebody shut me the fark up.
 
Bbq Bubba's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-03-07
Location: New Baltimore, Mi.
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Wheres the exhaust??
__________________
Pitmaster @ Lockharts BBQ
Beer Snob
I cook the best brisket north of Dallas. Get over it.
Northern midwest director for OBR
www.operationbbqrelief.com
#detroitporkmafia
BBQ Person of the Year 2013
Bbq Bubba is online now   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-30-2008, 03:14 PM   #12
BBQ Bandit
Babbling Farker

 
BBQ Bandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-15-08
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bbq Bubba View Post
Wheres the exhaust??
On my things to add yet. Was focusing on the bottom firepit barrel first...
Thinking of using Tractor trailer rig exhaust tips... with the flap baffle fixed in a 45 degree angle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thawley View Post
PA:

Just wondering about pointing that intake straight up... Seems like it would fill up with water if left in the rain. Pointing the intake down would be an easy fix if you don't have to have the valve at waist level. Just thinking out loud.
Thanks for reminding me to add a cone vent topper. The valve was placed to eliminate the possibility (if the valve stuck out the bottom horizontally) to be a tripping hazzard or to be nudged accidentally without anyone's knowledge.

The bottom barrel will hold an extra-wide fireplace grate (found @ $30) that does have removeable sides... about 4" tall. Expanded metal will line the firegrate. (Thanks to Country HB).

Yea... my thinking is kinda expensive...
__________________
Cooking at Mason-Dixon BBQ Services
Lang 84 Deluxe Kitchen known as "The Glamazon" , Custom Klose Backyard Chef... of Snot, and a 22.5 WSM

Former smokers;
Lang 60 Mobile - The Damsel II, Lang 48 Patio - The Damsel, Bubba Keg Grill - RIP, Double Barrel Smoker and a BSKD
BBQ Bandit is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-31-2008, 12:12 PM   #13
Countryhb
is One Chatty Farker
 
Countryhb's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-11-07
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

It's looking good. Have fun with the design!
__________________
Jet Coatings Smokin' & Fishin' Crew
Vegetarian...Indian word meaning lousy hunter.
Did someone say ROAD TRIP?!?!
Kamado #7
BWS Party
NB offset with baffle and chimney mods--STOLEN
Double-barrel 55-gal drum smoker
A farking weed burner...hehe hehe! Fire's Cool!
Countryhb is offline   Reply With Quote


Unread 03-31-2008, 12:50 PM   #14
Mark
somebody shut me the fark up.
 
Mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-13-03
Location: St. Peters MO
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
Default

Looks like your planning to use the Vogelzang Barrel Stove & top drum kits.

From what you show you will not be using the Vogelzang door. Personally, I'd use it. But I'd also use it on a drum with a removable lid. That way you can remove the lid for periodic cleaning.
__________________
Dr. Mark (STL)
Ph.D. (honorary) Bovine $hitology

A thin line separates paranoia from an acute understanding of reality.
Mark is online now   Reply With Quote


Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
UDS barrel pinky Q-talk 8 12-01-2011 11:46 AM
Dino Bones ala UDS & Some Lengua Tacos (PRON) misterrachel Q-talk 13 10-19-2010 12:01 AM
UDS barrel help backwoods Q-talk 20 11-18-2009 01:05 PM
need a barrel for a uds in ks tssievert Q-talk 4 11-13-2008 07:58 AM
Possible UDS Barrel BigdogKC Q-talk 13 06-26-2008 10:50 PM

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Loading



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise v2.6.0 Beta 4 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2003 -2012 © BBQ-Brethren Inc. All rights reserved. All Content and Flaming Pig Logo are registered and protected under U.S and International Copyright and Trademarks. Content Within this Website Is Property of BBQ Brethren Inc. Reproduction or alteration is strictly prohibited.
no new posts