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Unread 11-16-2013, 08:47 PM   #16
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Thanks for the clarification Steve. The way I read the quick notes was that Tana asked to change her vote and the vote to allow her to change was defeated, not the prior vote on the actual motion by Mike. Anyway, good luck with the next go around on the pork rule. My suggestion is to not change it from this year's version.
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I propose that to keep it simple and easy to understand they add an official "FAQ" to the rules. Example:

Rules FAQs

Q: The way I interpret the pork rule, I can cut the money muscle off when it's done then return the rest of the butt to the smoker. Is this right?
A: No. You cannot return it to the smoker or continue to cook it in any way.

Q: Can I separate the money muscle from the butt before I cook it?
A: No, they must remain connected.


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Unread 11-17-2013, 09:21 AM   #18
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I read it as it must be 5lb minimum before cooking. I don't consider a whole money muscle as a chunk, cutlet, slices, medallions, etc

I think we are looking at the next tax law.
Rich is right. Listen to the recording. They say mm can be parted out once cooked and rest can go back on
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Unless a new rule is approved prior to the end of November the rule stay the same as today. A motion to accept the 2 rule changes was defeated.
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Unless a new rule is approved prior to the end of November the rule stay the same as today. A motion to accept the 2 rule changes was defeated.
I'm not a lawyer but I think I could argue that the pork rule has been changed to:

Pork: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Boston Roast, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder. After trimming, pork shall be cooked whole /9bone in or bone out), however, once cooked, it may be separated and returned to the cooker at the cook's discretion. It may be turned in chopped, pulled, chunked, sliced or a combination of any of those."

We voted and passed that a while back. Jeff's motion was simply to finalize the rules so there can be no further changes and all appropriate documentation can be published. The fact that it was defeated does not mean the change in pork rule was defeated it just means that we can continue to propose rule changes till the end of the season.
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I'm not a lawyer but I think I could argue that the pork rule has been changed to:

Pork: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Boston Roast, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder. After trimming, pork shall be cooked whole /9bone in or bone out), however, once cooked, it may be separated and returned to the cooker at the cook's discretion. It may be turned in chopped, pulled, chunked, sliced or a combination of any of those."

We voted and passed that a while back. Jeff's motion was simply to finalize the rules so there can be no further changes and all appropriate documentation can be published. The fact that it was defeated does not mean the change in pork rule was defeated it just means that we can continue to propose rule changes till the end of the season.
Thanks Steve, I just hope the final rule is easy to decipher, this new stuff just seems to open new questions, to, me, I just want to know if I can separate the money muscle from the butt, and be able to throw the rest of the butt back on the pit to further cook.
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I think it may be easier to just take a knife to the smoker, cut and remove the money muscle and leave the rest of the butt on the smoker. Saves time and eliminates the chance of dropping the butt while handling.

On second thought, that may be a little difficult if the butt is foiled.
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Ya know.......its a funny thing.

When the proposed rule gets worded simply, then people don't like that the intent of it can be disputed one way or the other.

But then, let someone attempt to tie up all of the loose ends in the wording so tightly that there can be no possibility of anyone twisting it to bend/break the rule, and then that person put it out there as a suggestion, they get told that short and simple is better.

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Since trimming is allowed prior to cooking, can I trim everything off except the MM and just cook that? It's just a very heavily trimmed butt! :)
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Since trimming is allowed prior to cooking, can I trim everything off except the MM and just cook that? It's just a very heavily trimmed butt! :)
Sure, if it weighs more than 5 lbs after trimming.
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Sure, if it weighs more than 5 lbs after trimming.
Pre-trimming is what is weighed at inspection...

BTW, I was kidding, but someone could try it, huh?
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On the KCBS website, there are quick notes from the BOD meeting. Looks like two votes for the pork rule were taken and one passed. The Mike Peters rule called for no returning of pork to the smoker once it was parted.

I propose the following motion for consideration:
PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Boston Roast, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. After trimming, pork shall be cooked whole (bone in or bone out). Once parted into slices, medallions, cutlets, chunks, pulled or shredded portions, those portions may not be returned to the cooker or grill.
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6 yes, Mike B, Randy B, Kim C, Wayne L, Tana S, Mike P
4 No, Steve F, Don H, Dave C, Jeff S

The second vote called for the returning of parted pork be up to the cook.

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I enlarged the font of the 5# rule Notice the . in there. By this rule, you can trim off thre whole butt except the Money Muscle.
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Sure, if it weighs more than 5 lbs after trimming.
There is no 5 lb. minimum in the new rule, so trimming a pork butt down to just the money muscle, and then cooking that money muscle piece whole, is within the rules.

Just another prime example of why the 5 lb. minimum needs to be reinstated.
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I propose the following motion for consideration:
PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Boston Roast, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder, weighing a minimum of five (5) pounds. After trimming, pork shall be cooked whole (bone in or bone out). Once parted into slices, medallions, cutlets, chunks, pulled or shredded portions, those portions may not be returned to the cooker or grill.

PERSONALLY, This is how I would word it...but hell, I just cook.

I propose the following motion for consideration:
PORK: Pork is defined as Boston Butt, Boston Roast, Picnic and/or Whole Shoulder, weighing a minimum PRE-TRIMMED Weight of AT LEAST five (5) pounds. After trimming, THE pork BUTT, ROAST, OR SHOULDER shall be cooked IN A whole STATE, WITH ALL MUSCLE GROUPS ATTACHED (bone in or bone out). Once SEPARATED IN ANY WAY FROM A WHOLE STATE, INCUDING into slices, medallions, cutlets, chunks, pulled or shredded portions, NO portion may be returned to the cooker or grill.
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just make it illegal to turn in slices. Just pulled, chunked or chopped pork entries allowed. Besides, I have yet to find a BBQ joint who serves sliced money muscle.
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