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Unread 09-26-2013, 10:28 PM   #31
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People's choice chili has been killed at two or three comps here because of health department involvement. In all cases the proceeds went to charity.
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Unread 09-26-2013, 10:31 PM   #32
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People's choice chili has been killed at two or three comps here because of health department involvement. In all cases the proceeds went to charity.
The HD probably insured that a 2nd year contest this year in VA was it's last.
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Unread 09-26-2013, 10:50 PM   #33
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The HD probably insured that a 2nd year contest this year in VA was it's last.

I think that the PNWBA has done a pretty good job of taking a proactive stance in trying to educate teams in dealing with HD inspections. Even though each county is different, we usually get good reports from the inspectors when they've gone through and done their job.
I realize its probably too big of a deal for KCBS to tackle, and not in the business to, but regional BBQ Associations might be able to do a better job to hip organizers and teams to HD regulations?

Here is a registration from a recent PNWBA event that had BBQ, Dutch Oven and Chili sampling.

http://www.pnwba.com/events/2013/201....basinbash.pdf

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Unread 09-27-2013, 12:00 AM   #34
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Only time I have seen the health department is at events with People's Choice or team vending. When we vend in Vermont we have to provide a "floor" under the prep areas, which in our case means foam matts. I don't see how it's a food safety issue. If something hits the ground or hits the matt, it's not getting served.
One of the reasons why I was not going to do pc is this was required, why buy a mat just to do pc. I was told by HD that it was for dust control.
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Unread 09-27-2013, 12:02 AM   #35
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The only way I would do a PC sampling is if there is a good split with the organizer - i.e. 75% me 25% organizer or charity, paid in cash at the end of the event, held at a Indian casino where there is no health dept.

The last contest Brian is referring to above wanted the teams to fork over $20 for a health dept permit, for the privilege of handing out our leftovers for 20% of the ticket sales, divided EQUALLY among the teams who sampled. UH no - I'm not even covering the cost of the meat, let alone the hassle of the health dept. And a team that passes out 8 pieces of chicken is going to get the same amout as a team who cooks extra meat. And since there are different rules for different counties, it is nearly impossible to figure out what you can and cannot do in terms of reheating and holding meat. I would just rather give it to the judges to take home.
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One of the reasons why I was not going to do pc is this was required, why buy a mat just to do pc. I was told by HD that it was for dust control.
Makes perfect farking sense. We all know that the only dust at a comp that could possibly affect your food comes from directly within your own boundaries.
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Well I don't think the organizer saw him as the judges tables were a long walk from the teams that day. Like I said I reluctantly did PC, although I only was going to do PC after the turn ins and technically I was not doing any PC when inspected.
Being proactive with all of the local regulators, be it the HD, PD, FD or whatnot is a big part of an organizer's job. If The Powers at a location are not understanding and motivated to work with you to make the event a success it is time to find a new location.

Once at a large contest in the South a county HD inspector took it upon herself to start inflicting her will upon the teams. Cooks called the organizer and the organizer immediately took it up the chain of political command. The inspector was escorted off the property before she could destroy the contest. (Her first victims were threatening to pack up and leave before turn-ins and demand a refund of their entry fees).

I can't think of a better example of the way it should be handled when a rogue bureaucrat decides to flex their authority muscles to the detriment of the entire community.
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The HD probably insured that a 2nd year contest this year in VA was it's last.
Hmmmmm.......
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If there is no PC, local HD have no business in anyone's camp, what is next, will they show up in your back yard when you are having a cookout?.....don't answer that :)
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If there is no PC, local HD have no business in anyone's camp, what is next, will they show up in your back yard when you are having a cookout?.....don't answer that :)
Not doing PC at a comp makes it pretty boring for the general public. What else is there to do at an event then to walk around and look at banners and tents. I also agree when you are just starting out doing pc is not what you want to focus on. Hopefully you can have someone on your team dedicated to pc so the head cook and at least one assistant do not need to worry about pc. I also take time to interact with the public by answering questions they may have to help them with there own cooks. Like I said earlier I think I have an obligation to sponcers and charities for their parts in a compatition. If we as a community can bring more people to comps then lower entry fees and higher payouts are possible and the general public can also find out how great most competitors are. Most of us, even though you may have dropped $1000 on an event, are willing to help out new teams. This being said what ever we can do to promote the sport is worth doing. That's my opinion.
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Unread 09-27-2013, 08:46 AM   #41
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I think that the PNWBA has done a pretty good job of taking a proactive stance in trying to educate teams in dealing with HD inspections. Even though each county is different, we usually get good reports from the inspectors when they've gone through and done their job.
I realize its probably too big of a deal for KCBS to tackle, and not in the business to, but regional BBQ Associations might be able to do a better job to hip organizers and teams to HD regulations?

Here is a registration from a recent PNWBA event that had BBQ, Dutch Oven and Chili sampling.

http://www.pnwba.com/events/2013/201....basinbash.pdf

just sayin'
By the way I think this is a great post. I certainly not going to slam orginisors or hold Them responsible for a county HD inspecting me during my chicken turn in, but I do think this is a good lesson. Here in AZ there is not that many orginisors and what the pnwba is doing by being proactive with HD is a good lesson for them. Let's face it, having the HD at the event is not enjoyed by any orginisors I know. Why not bring them to us first to educate the HD on what is import during a comp so they don't test us while turn ins and if the feel they need to inspect only do the teams that are actually have pc meat out.
I might get beat up for this a little but I believe most orginisors do the best job they can and most of them do not make real money by doing events. So you really got to love being involved with BBQ comps to do what they do with all that can go wrong at a comp. they put there reputations on the line very event they organize an event. There is a good chance they make a lot of friends and there is a good chance at some point they will loose friends all mostly for the love of BBQ.
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The HD probably insured that a 2nd year contest this year in VA was it's last.
So true! We got lucky and had a nice inspector, but there was another "team" of inspectors that were epic *ssholes. Pepper Monkey was told to take down their decorative toy stuffed monkey they had hanging from their tent.

That one team of inspectors was on a power trip.
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In 2010 at a contest in Queen Creek (AZ), a HD inspector showed up as we were deciding which chicken thighs were the best of our bunch. She proceeded to stick a hole in one of them before I even know what was happening. When I said, we were not even doing PC, she said, all teams are being checked. I've been to a lot of contests in many states. AZ is the only place that has happened. Everywhere else, inspectors have been given lists of teams doing PC and have not bothered those teams not participating.
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In 2010 at a contest in Queen Creek (AZ), a HD inspector showed up as we were deciding which chicken thighs were the best of our bunch. She proceeded to stick a hole in one of them before I even know what was happening. When I said, we were not even doing PC, she said, all teams are being checked. I've been to a lot of contests in many states. AZ is the only place that has happened. Everywhere else, inspectors have been given lists of teams doing PC and have not bothered those teams not participating.
It's happened in Maryland
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If there is no PC, local HD have no business in anyone's camp, what is next, will they show up in your back yard when you are having a cookout?.....don't answer that :)
Too late
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