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Unread 07-18-2013, 02:25 PM   #151
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Isn't that comparing apples to oranges (or chicken to ribs?!?)? That may help with tracking judges but it is slightly less meaningful to me as a competitor when analyzing my own scores then.
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Unread 07-18-2013, 02:50 PM   #152
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I'll admit that all the statistics stuff is over my head, but I don't understand how random is better than applying what we know about a judges history? I look at it this way -

1) if it gives me more information about why my stuff scored the way it did, thats a good thing (perfect? no, but I believe more is better).

2) I believe some people arent qualified to be KCBS CBJ's - If this can help indentify them for re-training/elimination, then I support it. This isn't about all judges giving everyone a 9, its about the few judges who consistenly score 3-4 full points under everyone else. There arent millions of them, but they do exist

I understand point 2 might not be popular and could get a little scary with the wrong implemention, but I think its necessary for the continued growth of KCBS.
You also have the judges that never score under a 7. I actually had a CBJ tell me he gives a 7 just for turning in because he doesn't want to disrespect the team. Fortunately he wasn't judging (and never will) at one of my contests. No amount of discussion would change his mind either.
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Unread 07-18-2013, 03:02 PM   #153
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Everyone should be aware of how the team name is recorded. The team name you supply to the organizer is what will print on your results sheet. The team name associated with your KCBS membership number that you supplied to the organizer is what will display in the online results screen. If the wrong team name is displayed online contact Karrin in the KCBS office. She can change your team name and correct the online results to show the proper name. Her email is kmurphy@kcbs.us
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Unread 07-18-2013, 06:21 PM   #154
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Damn, I knew I should've paid closer attention in that college statistic class 35 years ago
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Unread 07-18-2013, 07:43 PM   #155
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You guys have convinced me, statistical analysis has no place in sports. And to think I have been wasting my time all these years paying attention to things like batting averages, ERA, yards per rush/catch, completion percentage, goals against average........
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You guys have convinced me, statistical analysis has no place in sports. And to think I have been wasting my time all these years paying attention to things like batting averages, ERA, yards per rush/catch, completion percentage, goals against average........
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Unread 07-19-2013, 08:59 AM   #157
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I asked for clarification on Judge Average Score.

It's the sum of that judge's scoring on that day at that contest for all 4 categories.
I'm wrong! The average is for all categories at that event that that judge judged.
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I've read through most of this, and as a competitor, yeah, I'd like to see who I went up against on a table and how I did. But if I get a 6 or a 7, it's still only a number and doesn't tell my why it was a 6 or 7. Was it bland, or was it too spicy, salty, sweet, tangy, overdone, underdone? And if it's a 9, what was it that made it a 9?

I'd much rather see mandatory comment cards for each entry. That's the valuable feedback I'm looking for. I know that would be a logistical nightmare, the judging would take forever and the awards wouldn't be until after midnight.

Just my $0.02. I'll go back to sleep now....
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I'm wrong! The average is for all categories at that event that that judge judged.
Wow. So if that judge also sampled a chef's choice, sauce, and dessert entries they would be included in the average?
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Unread 07-19-2013, 10:38 AM   #160
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That's correct! Brings up another statistical thing though, how many contests will have ancillaries that are judged by the same judges?
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Candy,

Wouldn't it work better if we just don't use judge's numbers for ancillaries. that way it wouldn't skew anything. Just put 0's like you would for celebrity judges.
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Wouldn't that be hard for reps if the contest is set up and dessert follows the main 4? I suspect that ancillaries probably aren't part of same judge seating for most contests. I like the idea though.
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I believe as long as you mark these categories as "Do Not Count" you will be able to omit judge's numbers. You migght check for us. That would solve that problem.
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I'm wrong! The average is for all categories at that event that that judge judged.
How can the KCBS President not know how the new scoring system works? Should not every member of the Board know all details of how it works and be able to justify their decision to have it work that way , or how they disagreed with the implementation?

Amazing!

So sad....
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How can the KCBS President not know how the new scoring system works? Should not every member of the Board know all details of how it works and be able to justify their decision to have it work that way , or how they disagreed with the implementation?

Amazing!

So sad....
Do you think the board of directors of any major company knows the complete details of how their products work ? They have technical people for that. I worked at a biomedical research facility for 18 years. We had technical, political and business people on our board of directors. The board is there to make major decisions and steer the direction of the company or organization. It's not the boards job to know the detail of everything going on. It's the boards job to make sure the company has people in place to do that.
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