Judging Rings and Garnish - Page 2

Lake Dogs · 10-03-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisnjenn

Gotta laugh at these Texans sometimes.

And I will stick with the good ole KCBS.

In our area (including you in the our) we also have GBA, MBN, FBA, and can probably get an SC and AL sanctioned contest or two in a GA town here n there... No garnish.

jmoney7269 · 10-03-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JS-TX

Just looks unnatural and overdone to me bro. Much rather see a natural ring when I open that box. Personally I see no reason to enhance it when it occurs naturally.

Let me refine my words a little. That was when I first strarted experimenting With TQ a while back. If you put a thick coat of rub on, you will get a minuscule smoke ring when cooking H&F. Furthermore half of my comps are unsanctioned and the right use of TQ helps. It's not my problem people aren't serious about BBQ as I am. Further than that, if we weren't technologically advanced as we are now, and someone didn't spill the beans, you would still be scoring brisket with a pretty smoke ring high. Hell, this one was cooked in the oven!

And in just sayin BRO that if your a judge and your marking down scores on something your told not to judge on in the first place, I'm glad I don't compete in your sanctioning body. Down here there is no appearance Because appearance makes no difference on how it tastes, makes no difference on how tender it is, makes no difference on the overall enjoyment of the meat being sampled by the judge.

landarc · 10-03-2012, 07:31 PM

I love the folks who say 'if you have to use sauce you are covering up bad Q' (and I consider many who say that to be friends). My response to them is 'why do you use salt and pepper then, or chile powder, or garlic powder, or smoke wood...just cook that meat straight up' And how is adding a vinegar mop not saucing and changing the meats flavor?

If I am going to judge a piece of meat, or a box, or a plate of food, I am going to take a look to see if it is appetizing, and if there is a smoke ring, or not, it all comes into play if the food looks good. For me, I don't need to see a smoke ring for a piece of meat to look good, but, there has to be something. I might well judge down for a piece of meat with a large smoke ring, not because of the ring, but, because overall, it just doesn't do it for me.

RangerJ · 10-03-2012, 07:33 PM

Ugh...

Saying you cook in a bunch of unsanctioned comps and then talking about how serious you are is quite the dichotomy, no?

And I'll ask again, if appearance has nothing to do with the three items you quoted, WHY use Tender Quick on a hot and fast cook?

You've already answered the question, here: If you put a thick coat of rub on, you will get a minuscule smoke ring when cooking H&F.

SO...you are worried about the appearance.

You can't pass judgement on a sanctioning body or how it cooks or judges if you don't cook it. That's my .02. My guess is your mileage is going to vary.

Texana · 10-03-2012, 07:36 PM

Your serious about BBQ and most of ur cooks are unsanctioned?...

And for the others....don't judge all Texas cooks by the same standard.

And Jmoney Texas events do include appearance. While it is combined and not a separate score taste judges are still instructed to include it.....oops that's in sanctioned events with serious cooks.

And one more thing.....TQ is not against the rules. However serious cooks don't need to use it.....just sayin

JS-TX · 10-03-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoney7269

And in just sayin BRO that if your a judge and your marking down scores on something your told not to judge on in the first place, I'm glad I don't compete in your sanctioning body. Down here there is no appearance Because appearance makes no difference on how it tastes, makes no difference on how tender it is, makes no difference on the overall enjoyment of the meat being sampled by the judge.

Justin, look to the left... I'm in Tx too BRO. Like Texana said appearance is part of the score. Even says so on the scoring sheet. BTW, I've never heard a judging official say to ignore the smoke ring or lack thereof. I can see why you want one, but don't get riled up cause I can spot a really fake looking smoke ring. Also TQ has sugar and salt, they have taste.

Butt Rubb'n BBQ · 10-03-2012, 08:00 PM

This thread is getting good!

Fat Woody · 10-03-2012, 09:15 PM

Natural or unnatural? C'mon! You can tell by looking, right?

chrisnjenn · 10-03-2012, 09:21 PM

Who is to say you would tell the truth anyway? I'm sure JS doesn't know you from Adam.

Fat Woody · 10-03-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisnjenn

Who is to say you would tell the truth anyway? I'm sure JS doesn't know you from Adam.

Ouch! That's not nice or brethrenly! I don't know YOU from Adam, so what difference does that make?

chrisnjenn · 10-03-2012, 09:26 PM

Your in your face challenge to JS wasn't nice or brethrenly either.

Fat Woody · 10-03-2012, 09:31 PM

Anyone who says they can spot a fake smoke ring needs a little re-education; this one (which admittedly looks fake) is completely natural - that's all I'm sayin'. I don't want to be judged down for something that is someone's "perception" of reality...

landarc · 10-03-2012, 09:44 PM

I was gonna say real, too late.

Butt Rubb'n BBQ · 10-03-2012, 10:03 PM

It would just be easier to agree to disagree. You guys have made my night. Good grief I need to get a life. Happy smoking!

jmoney7269 · 10-03-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Texana

Your serious about BBQ and most of ur cooks are unsanctioned?...

And for the others....don't judge all Texas cooks by the same standard.

And Jmoney Texas events do include appearance. While it is combined and not a separate score taste judges are still instructed to include it.....oops that's in sanctioned events with serious cooks.

And one more thing.....TQ is not against the rules. However serious cooks don't need to use it.....just sayin

How about this one? Chappel hill VFD grand champs SANCTIONED! 1st ribs out of 108 entrys! 3rd chicken 9th brisket and we used TQ on the damn thang! Oh gotta throw in 2nd chefs choice. That serious enough for you bud? Where are your major GC trophys? I got plenty of them? Remember I only been a contributing member for a few months on here and txbbqrub forum.

The same rib that won that won the Bellville country music festival 38 teams non sanctioned

What else do you wanna see? Oh I got more
140 teams. Used my Famous rib glaze and bean recipe. 1st beans btw which were a core Categeory

Washington county fair king of coals sanctioned. 28 out of 30 possible sanctioned 1st ribs and brisket, 3rd chicken

Now that we got that out of the way of me and our team Being crappy cooks Because half of our cookoffs are non sanctioned. What now! Are we worthy now ti give our opinion on what good bbq is? I obviously know what the heck I'm talkin about. If I missed something, please fill me in!

10-03-2012, 07:31 PM	#18
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: San Leandro, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I love the folks who say 'if you have to use sauce you are covering up bad Q' (and I consider many who say that to be friends). My response to them is 'why do you use salt and pepper then, or chile powder, or garlic powder, or smoke wood...just cook that meat straight up' And how is adding a vinegar mop not saucing and changing the meats flavor? If I am going to judge a piece of meat, or a box, or a plate of food, I am going to take a look to see if it is appetizing, and if there is a smoke ring, or not, it all comes into play if the food looks good. For me, I don't need to see a smoke ring for a piece of meat to look good, but, there has to be something. I might well judge down for a piece of meat with a large smoke ring, not because of the ring, but, because overall, it just doesn't do it for me. __________________ "perhaps...but then again...maybe not..." careful there son, those ribs are boiling hot... \_\|_/ (='.'=) Here there be bunnies... (")_(")ooo Pacific Rim BBQ Bob's Brew and Que

10-03-2012, 07:33 PM	#19
RangerJ is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 11-04-08 Location: Houston, Texas Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ugh... Saying you cook in a bunch of unsanctioned comps and then talking about how serious you are is quite the dichotomy, no? And I'll ask again, if appearance has nothing to do with the three items you quoted, WHY use Tender Quick on a hot and fast cook? You've already answered the question, here: If you put a thick coat of rub on, you will get a minuscule smoke ring when cooking H&F. SO...you are worried about the appearance. You can't pass judgement on a sanctioning body or how it cooks or judges if you don't cook it. That's my .02. My guess is your mileage is going to vary. __________________ www.pappacharliesbbq.com Cooking on a Baby J by Jambo Are You Ready to Throwdown?

10-03-2012, 09:15 PM	#23
Fat Woody Take a breath! Join Date: 03-29-09 Location: Lenexa, Kansas Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Natural or unnatural? C'mon! You can tell by looking, right? __________________ Head Groundskeeper - Squirrel Haven Estate, Lenexa, KS Chief Cook of the infrequently competitive Fullwood Bros' BBQ Team Cigar Lounger, Malt Beverage Tester Owner/Operator of: Brinkmann "Lefty" Bandera clone, Comalco Black Dog grill aka The Chicken & Rib Machine, and various Weber kettles. World's fastest Belgian/Cuban Racing Yellow thermapen. Woody's official spousal motto: "I'm not happy 'til you're not happy!"

10-03-2012, 09:31 PM	#27
Fat Woody Take a breath! Join Date: 03-29-09 Location: Lenexa, Kansas Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Anyone who says they can spot a fake smoke ring needs a little re-education; this one (which admittedly looks fake) is completely natural - that's all I'm sayin'. I don't want to be judged down for something that is someone's "perception" of reality... __________________ Head Groundskeeper - Squirrel Haven Estate, Lenexa, KS Chief Cook of the infrequently competitive Fullwood Bros' BBQ Team Cigar Lounger, Malt Beverage Tester Owner/Operator of: Brinkmann "Lefty" Bandera clone, Comalco Black Dog grill aka The Chicken & Rib Machine, and various Weber kettles. World's fastest Belgian/Cuban Racing Yellow thermapen. Woody's official spousal motto: "I'm not happy 'til you're not happy!"

10-03-2012, 09:44 PM	#28
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: San Leandro, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was gonna say real, too late. __________________ "perhaps...but then again...maybe not..." careful there son, those ribs are boiling hot... \_\|_/ (='.'=) Here there be bunnies... (")_(")ooo Pacific Rim BBQ Bob's Brew and Que

10-03-2012, 07:36 PM	#20
Texana Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 05-18-06 Location: Houston, Tx Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Your serious about BBQ and most of ur cooks are unsanctioned?... And for the others....don't judge all Texas cooks by the same standard. And Jmoney Texas events do include appearance. While it is combined and not a separate score taste judges are still instructed to include it.....oops that's in sanctioned events with serious cooks. And one more thing.....TQ is not against the rules. However serious cooks don't need to use it.....just sayin

10-03-2012, 08:00 PM	#22
Butt Rubb'n BBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 05-07-12 Location: Woodstock ga Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This thread is getting good!

10-03-2012, 09:21 PM	#24
chrisnjenn Banned Join Date: 07-22-10 Location: Georgia Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Who is to say you would tell the truth anyway? I'm sure JS doesn't know you from Adam.

10-03-2012, 09:26 PM	#26
chrisnjenn Banned Join Date: 07-22-10 Location: Georgia Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Your in your face challenge to JS wasn't nice or brethrenly either.

10-03-2012, 10:03 PM	#29
Butt Rubb'n BBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 05-07-12 Location: Woodstock ga Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It would just be easier to agree to disagree. You guys have made my night. Good grief I need to get a life. Happy smoking!