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Unread 09-04-2009, 09:47 AM   #16
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I have eaten my deer meat and sausage at two years wrapped in butcher paper in the freezer. I even ate some sausage once from 3 years that was wrapped only in butcher paper. Tasted like chit. Now I vacuum pack it.

I wouldn't hesitate to eat anything 3 or 4 years old. It won't hurt you and salmonella and botulism won't grow in the freezer. The only thing to suffer will be the taste.
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And, depending on the meat/protein, the texture... I advise AVOIDING tilapia that is over 18 months old... vacuum sealed or not... ;-)
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Default Elk....

I like to go elk hunting every couple of years and often have some summer sausage made and have it kryo-vacc'd. About how long is it good before it needs to be pitched?
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My late wife NEVER thawed her Thksgvng turkey. Been trying to convince my current wife to try it! She finally did thanks to the American Turkey council web-site that gave a full explanation on how to do it , as well as saying it's best and safest that way. They also said that while quality could not be assured , a frozen turkey will keep in the frozen state indefinitely!!Why not other foods? If you look at FDA guidelines , they don't agree with the Turkey council. Sooo, whom do you believe-- beats me--ours was over a year old and tasty and juicy!

Lets see... who are we to believe?

1)A greedy capital conglomerate whose goal is to breed profit for it's members at all cost?

Or....

2)A corrupt Gov't agency that does what big greedy capitalist conglomerates pay them to do?

hmmmm..... hard choice. Guess someone at the FDA did not get their pay off.

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Unread 07-03-2011, 09:33 AM   #20
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I wrapped some pork chops real solid and air tight with Glad Press & Seal and then wrapped and sealed with some aluminum foil and they kept for a year and were still like new. That's the longest I've ever had anything stick around in my freezer though...
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I can't in good conscience just toss out old meat. For one it cost me money, and two, an animal was slaughtered for it. So I have come up with two uses for proteins more than a year old or otherwise not enjoyable for consumption.

One is dog food, thaw it and serve over next two days, no more, no re-freezing. If it's any type of meat that can be broken down (ribs, chops, steaks, etc), I will usually take a cleaver to the frozen piece and leave the rest in the freezer.

The second thing I found it useful for is seasoning pits. I've had enough friends buy pits that it went to good use. Throw it on some high heat and let that freezer-burnt meat spread the love. I guess it depends on how you season your pit, but this has served me well.
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Good ideas El Lobo, I don't have a dog but I guess i can feed it to the bears.
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I can't in good conscience just toss out old meat.
All "old" meat and any other food that has been frozen is safe to eat, no
matter how long it has been frozen.
Food that has been frozen for many, many, many years is always safe to
eat. It doesn't ever need to be thrown away or given to dogs.
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My mother in law cleaned out her mothers freezer a couple years back (she has had dementia for some time now) and found buried in the back a package of hamburger in butchers wrap with an attached hand written receipt from 1976. There were also some steaks in similar packaging right next to it but no date. When they opened it up, they said the hamburger looked like some sort of diseased brain. They thawed it out of curiosity and they said it had a foul, most unusual odor. They tried boiling it to serve to the dogs and the whole house smelled so bad they tossed it instead and then tried getting the smell out of the house.

Now, that said...you have to wonder if, and how many, power outages there might have been in that house since 1976, and did she properly preserve the meat during those power outages? So was it bad from age, or from improper storage, or all of the above?
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Depends! How's that for an answer.
1. How much fat makes a difference. Fatty meat doesn't keep as well as lean.
2. Vacuum bagged will keep longer no matter the type of meat.
3. If it's frozen in ice, not just ice crystal coated, it'll keep a good long while. We used to freeze fresh caught fish in milk cartons filled with water. Of course, that keeps the air off it.
4. Turkey or chicken in the original "shrink wrap" will keep for a LONG time. Wrapped in the looser retail bags...not so much. Freezer burn is waiting for ya!
5. General rule is 6-12 months for pork and that tends to be true. If you see ice crystals and the edges looks pale - it's gotten freezer burned. It won't kill ya, but it will taste like crap.
6. Prepared meats like sausages will keep for a really long time if vacuum packed.

I keep going back to vacuum packing and I have not financial interest in FoodSaver, but if your food is packed in one of their bags and the seal is right, the meat will last for a long time.
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All "old" meat and any other food that has been frozen is safe to eat, no
matter how long it has been frozen.
Food that has been frozen for many, many, many years is always safe to
eat. It doesn't ever need to be thrown away or given to dogs.
I agree Grillman, it's not a food safety issue. As I said, if its not 'otherwise enjoyable for consumption' then I find another practical use for it.

I came up with a value proposition. Giving to a dog is actually a very good option in my opinion. If I work out the cost of the raw meat compared to cans of QUALITY dog food, you'll find raw meat to be a pretty good value. No preservatives, no questionable meat, etc.

Simply an option for freezer-burnt or otherwise tasteless meat.
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Unread 07-31-2011, 06:09 PM   #27
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Frozen meat doesn't go bad as far as causing food born illness. But after 6 months it starts losing it's flavor. Beef goes faster than pork with the exception of sausage that contains spices. Spices in sausage (beef or pork) are done in about 6 months and do not add to the taste of the item any more. So you folks that have meat in the freezer for a year and want to get rid of it, invite the mother-in-law over for dinner.
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I use a Food Saver, and had tried meat frozen up to a year...haven't had any issues, still tastes like it just came off the grill.
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Man, reading through all this old information is like digging through ancient civilizations. Still good for a read though. Not trying to tout this off as a new thread or anything! It's certainly new to me though.
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