Dealing with illegal aliens per say

HBMTN · 06-06-2012, 05:49 PM

How do you as a barbecue business handle when someone starts catering, selling road side concessions, advertising and facebooking all around and they are not legal at all? Do you just let them hang themselves or turn them in? How does the health dept look at you if you say something to them about your illegal competition? Do they look at you like a tattle tail or thankful for the info?

At first when the one I am in question about started up I did not pay much attention and thought heck he is probably just trying to feed babies like I am. But the more I thought about it and the more he is jumping out in public as my competition I feel like he is taking money away from my babies with the unfair advantage of not having all the equipment, licences and gov fees that I have to pay and he does not. I don't mind competition but the playing field should be leveled so that he has the expense other than just a cooker and a pop up tent.

What should I do?

Jeff Hughes · 06-06-2012, 05:56 PM

Are you sure he is not paying his fees and are you sure he is illegal?

Wayne · 06-06-2012, 06:03 PM

This is a complex matter. The only advise I could give you and feel 100% sure of is to fix better food than your illegal competition. Anything else and I truly believe that you should seek advise from legal counsel that knows how to safely proceed. You do not want to do anything that can leave you open to adverse legal action.

landarc · 06-06-2012, 06:05 PM

You can just call them up (health department) and ask if he has paid his fees and passed his inspections. It is all public record and there is no issues with doing that. If he has not, they won't fall over to thank you, but, they will check him out.

I had a friend who got a contract to enter in all of the restaurant data from inspections into the computers at County Health, said she wanted to throw up after the first day. The head inspector laughed and told her that to his knowledge, they had never received a request for proof of inspection from a customer or the public. He thought it was odd, since that is why they are there.

HBMTN · 06-06-2012, 06:13 PM

I am sure is is not legal. I don't want to be the bad guy and turn him in. But I do feel he should have to have what I was required to have to be legal. In other words I could sell barbecue much cheaper with a cooker and pop up than I can with a certified trailer, business license, insurance, gov fees etc.

It would be like a NASCAR Race and one driver getting a 30 lap head start. I don't mind it he does good so long as he does not have an unfair advantage. I am inclined to let him hang himself and stay out of it but I just wondered how others handle it.

Pyle's BBQ · 06-06-2012, 07:15 PM

I would go and asking for an inspection record first. You don't have to give your name or business when you do that.

The other question is, are you implying that your competitor is an illegal alien or what they are doing is illegal?

deepsouth · 06-06-2012, 07:19 PM

"papers please?"

tortaboy · 06-06-2012, 08:18 PM

You could email the city about a business likely operating without a license in addition to calling the HD.

HBMTN · 06-06-2012, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyle's BBQ

I would go and asking for an inspection record first. You don't have to give your name or business when you do that.

The other question is, are you implying that your competitor is an illegal alien or what they are doing is illegal?

No just illegal food sales, just sounded like a good heading. If they were illegal aliens selling Q I would be screaming at the health dept.

PCDoctor_1979 · 06-06-2012, 08:57 PM

Try this site...
http://www.healthspace.com/Clients/VDH/VDH_Website.nsf

It has a list of all the restaurant inspections on file for the state of Virginia.

Hdhillin · 06-08-2012, 08:03 PM

I just want to add my two cents worth. If the guy is an illegal alien, call the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement office. There should be an office somewhere in Virginia. I am not saying they will run out and check, but that is your duty as an American. You pay taxes, and you also have all the required documentation for your business. I would not feel bad at all. The illegal aliens in the U.S. have broken our banks/back. The problem lies is that no one does anything about it other than complain to friends, not authorities. But with all the political gander about Immigration issues it is somewhat unlikely that they will run out and arrest him. PM me I can fill you in more not in a public forum. Sorry to rant here, this just gets under my skin. I feel for you. See this is a prime exmple where the American is doing everything right and above the law, yet he is being held back. Just not right in my book. I deal with this daily.

MilitantSquatter · 06-08-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hdhillin

I just want to add my two cents worth. If the guy is an illegal alien, call the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement office. There should be an office somewhere in Virginia. I am not saying they will run out and check, but that is your duty as an American. You pay taxes, and you also have all the required documentation for your business. I would not feel bad at all. The illegal aliens in the U.S. have broken our banks/back. The problem lies is that no one does anything about it other than complain to friends, not authorities. But with all the political gander about Immigration issues it is somewhat unlikely that they will run out and arrest him. PM me I can fill you in more not in a public forum. Sorry to rant here, this just gets under my skin. I feel for you. See this is a prime exmple where the American is doing everything right and above the law, yet he is being held back. Just not right in my book. I deal with this daily.

FYI... the original poster noted above that the competition just doesn't have legality from a vending perspective, not coutry of origin.

Hdhillin · 06-08-2012, 08:12 PM

OOPS. Sorry about that....

jacksedona · 06-11-2012, 08:23 PM

call the health department to see if he is registered. everyone is entitled to make a living but if they have an unfair advantage over you that's not fair.
if i pay taxes they should have to-but you need to check with health department to see if he has proper licenses to compete otherwise its like letting them put you out of business with lower costs no fees etc

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06-06-2012, 05:49 PM	#1
HBMTN is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-16-08 Location: Fairfield, Virginia Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Dealing with illegal aliens per say How do you as a barbecue business handle when someone starts catering, selling road side concessions, advertising and facebooking all around and they are not legal at all? Do you just let them hang themselves or turn them in? How does the health dept look at you if you say something to them about your illegal competition? Do they look at you like a tattle tail or thankful for the info? At first when the one I am in question about started up I did not pay much attention and thought heck he is probably just trying to feed babies like I am. But the more I thought about it and the more he is jumping out in public as my competition I feel like he is taking money away from my babies with the unfair advantage of not having all the equipment, licences and gov fees that I have to pay and he does not. I don't mind competition but the playing field should be leveled so that he has the expense other than just a cooker and a pop up tent. What should I do?

06-06-2012, 05:56 PM	#2
Jeff Hughes is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 02-03-06 Location: tulsa oklahoma Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Are you sure he is not paying his fees and are you sure he is illegal? __________________ Klose 72" Mobile Medium BGE HastyBake Legacy 22" Weber Kettle(10 bucks@garage sale)

06-06-2012, 06:03 PM	#3
Wayne is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 08-26-03 Location: Fall River, Kansas Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is a complex matter. The only advise I could give you and feel 100% sure of is to fix better food than your illegal competition. Anything else and I truly believe that you should seek advise from legal counsel that knows how to safely proceed. You do not want to do anything that can leave you open to adverse legal action. __________________ Wichita Wayne Long in the tooth, Long in the tooth, I'm lookin' 'round the corner, An' I'm long in the tooth...

06-06-2012, 06:05 PM	#4
landarc somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-26-09 Location: San Leandro, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You can just call them up (health department) and ask if he has paid his fees and passed his inspections. It is all public record and there is no issues with doing that. If he has not, they won't fall over to thank you, but, they will check him out. I had a friend who got a contract to enter in all of the restaurant data from inspections into the computers at County Health, said she wanted to throw up after the first day. The head inspector laughed and told her that to his knowledge, they had never received a request for proof of inspection from a customer or the public. He thought it was odd, since that is why they are there. __________________ "perhaps...but then again...maybe not..." careful there son, those ribs are boiling hot... \_\|_/ (='.'=) Here there be bunnies... (")_(")ooo Pacific Rim BBQ Bob's Brew and Que

06-06-2012, 07:15 PM	#6
Pyle's BBQ Babbling Farker Join Date: 10-25-06 Location: Des Moines, IA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would go and asking for an inspection record first. You don't have to give your name or business when you do that. The other question is, are you implying that your competitor is an illegal alien or what they are doing is illegal? __________________ Bryan, Team: Pyle's BBQ; Good-One "Trail Boss" 60T; Homemade rig; 22" Weber Kettle w/rotisserie ring; Big A$$ Rotisserie; BGE-Small; Weber Kettle Gold, Weber OTS, New Braunfels offset smoker. Saddles BBQ Bistro Μολὼν λαβέ

06-06-2012, 06:13 PM	#5
HBMTN is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-16-08 Location: Fairfield, Virginia Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I am sure is is not legal. I don't want to be the bad guy and turn him in. But I do feel he should have to have what I was required to have to be legal. In other words I could sell barbecue much cheaper with a cooker and pop up than I can with a certified trailer, business license, insurance, gov fees etc. It would be like a NASCAR Race and one driver getting a 30 lap head start. I don't mind it he does good so long as he does not have an unfair advantage. I am inclined to let him hang himself and stay out of it but I just wondered how others handle it.

06-06-2012, 07:19 PM	#7
deepsouth Quintessential Chatty Farker Join Date: 04-21-10 Location: Biloxi, MS Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"papers please?" __________________ Large BGE, Small BGE, Mini BGE, Weber 22.5 OTG, yellow thermapen

06-06-2012, 08:18 PM	#8
tortaboy is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 06-04-11 Location: San Jose, Ca. Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You could email the city about a business likely operating without a license in addition to calling the HD.

06-06-2012, 08:57 PM	#10
PCDoctor_1979 Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 11-01-09 Location: West Des Moines, IA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Try this site... http://www.healthspace.com/Clients/VDH/VDH_Website.nsf It has a list of all the restaurant inspections on file for the state of Virginia. __________________ Brian Sweeney - CBJ #3691 - '77 Step Van Mobile Kitchen, Horizon Marshall, WSM with Pro Q Stacker, Weber Kettle & Smokey Joe GOLD. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Clarke's Third Law

06-08-2012, 08:03 PM	#11
Hdhillin Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 02-08-12 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just want to add my two cents worth. If the guy is an illegal alien, call the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement office. There should be an office somewhere in Virginia. I am not saying they will run out and check, but that is your duty as an American. You pay taxes, and you also have all the required documentation for your business. I would not feel bad at all. The illegal aliens in the U.S. have broken our banks/back. The problem lies is that no one does anything about it other than complain to friends, not authorities. But with all the political gander about Immigration issues it is somewhat unlikely that they will run out and arrest him. PM me I can fill you in more not in a public forum. Sorry to rant here, this just gets under my skin. I feel for you. See this is a prime exmple where the American is doing everything right and above the law, yet he is being held back. Just not right in my book. I deal with this daily.

06-08-2012, 08:12 PM	#13
Hdhillin Knows what a fatty is. Join Date: 02-08-12 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OOPS. Sorry about that....

06-11-2012, 08:23 PM	#14
jacksedona Take a breath! Join Date: 03-11-12 Location: phoenix,arizona Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	call the health department to see if he is registered. everyone is entitled to make a living but if they have an unfair advantage over you that's not fair. if i pay taxes they should have to-but you need to check with health department to see if he has proper licenses to compete otherwise its like letting them put you out of business with lower costs no fees etc http://thebarbecuemaster.net __________________ alan weber smoker,one touch,go anywhere,masterbuilt Last edited by jacksedona; 06-11-2012 at 08:24 PM.. Reason: typo