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Unread 11-13-2011, 07:36 PM   #1
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Question Question for Board Candidates.

Do any of the candidates have anything to financially or personally gain from being elected? Consultant, marketing expert, contest rep, contest organizer, bbq related business owner, or anything else that people may feel is inappropriate or conflicting.

If so, what would that be?

If not, how would you deal with potential conflicts?

How would you work to make sure other board members refrain from conflicts?
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Unread 11-14-2011, 08:16 AM   #2
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Do any of the candidates have anything to financially or personally gain from being elected? Consultant, marketing expert, contest rep, contest organizer, bbq related business owner, or anything else that people may feel is inappropriate or conflicting.

If so, what would that be?

If not, how would you deal with potential conflicts?

How would you work to make sure other board members refrain from conflicts?
I have no product, restaurant, or catering business to potentially benefit from service if elected. I'm a software/IT geek operating my own business, and have already stated publicly that I wouldn't touch KCBS issues in that area with a 10 ft. insulated pole. I spend money on BBQ and see absolutely no reason that would change within my lifetime.

It's highly unlikely that a personal conflict would come up in my case, but in the event that it did I'd excuse myself from discussing the issue as well as any vote.

I believe the board needs to develop a complete code of ethics with reasonable penalties for violations that are public and known in advance.

There are members serving now, that were elected under existing rules that some would consider to have a conflict of interest. I've been considering that and how to move forward. It's not as simple as it may appear.
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Unread 11-14-2011, 08:59 AM   #3
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I agree with George on this as well. While I don't know all of the current board members as well as others I have been told that there are some current issues with some board members getting better contest rep assignments, working for marketing companies, and other businesses that could easily be looked at in a bad light. It appears that there are some companies in the BBQ world that get some very favorable treatment because of their connections and I don't feel that is right either.
Personally, I am in pharmaceutical research. I see patients in clinics here in Des Moines. Unless the KCBS BOD can help me find people with chronic diarrhea, ear drainage, or some other type of medical issues I don't believe that there will be any conflicts.
In terms of how I would deal with the potential conflicts, I like a signed agreement that would forbid a board member from conflicting situations. I agree with George that only so much can be done but some of the obvious issues could easily be addressed while other items that were previously under the table deals wouldn't happen anymore.
Once again, we are forcced to self police and maintain a personal and professional code of conduct that each KCBS member can appreciate.
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Unread 11-14-2011, 09:55 AM   #4
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Every board member signs a conflict statement and there is a code of conduct statement that every director signs. Personally, I do not believe that conflicts should be based solely on financial gain. For example, if a KCBS board member is also on the board of MBN, that could potentially be detrimental to both organizations.

As a person in a barbeque business and serving on the board of KCBS, I have done my utmost to keep separate my business life and KCBS. I've had many business associates not be aware of my position with KCBS until they join and read the Bullsheet. Until I am off the board, my company will not advertise with KCBS in any fashion.

In my opinion, greater potential for conflict arises from directors who make money in/at KCBS events. Since most board members are contest representatives, who as independent contractors are paid for their services, that by definition is a conflict. But all directors do sign a conflict of interest statement and being a contest rep is disclosed. Directors can and do abstain from vote and discussion on any issue with personal conflicts.
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I'm not a Rep or an organizer, I don't write books or hold classes, I don't cater or vend and I am not a permanent member of a cooking team, although I do cook once or twice a year with different teams. I have absolutely no way that I can make money from my involvement with KCBS or from BBQ in general.

To me, there should be NO WAY for a Board member, directly or indirectly, to profit from being on the BoD. This should include Reps getting "plum" assignments, sales of books or anything else that can't pass the smell test.



By the way Meatlover, could you pop on over to Cattle Call & introduce yourself? Maybe let us know something about you other than "goverment owned & operated" or "Anytown, Anystate" .
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Candy Sue, it sounds like you are the type of person the membership can appreciate! I agree with your point about financial gain is more with directors that are reps. I would say this, it takes a great deal of courage and confidence to take the plush contest rep assignments as a board member and I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was in one of their positions. The ability to pick and choose contests seems very conflicted. Many jobs have perks but at some point people are going to get fed up with not getting a chance to experience what others assume is theirs by title.
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Unread 11-14-2011, 10:38 AM   #7
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Hang on there, Meatlover! Been over this once before... my organizing a contest is in no way a conflict of interest and I don't stand to gain a thing. Why are you lumping organizers into this? The contest that I put on with a friend of mine is all for charity and we don't make a dime off of it. You want to know what the conflict of interest is? A board full of REPS making all the rules that us cooks and judges have to play by then coming out and enforcing them on us at contests. I don't see how that's right but then again, no one asked.
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Unread 11-14-2011, 11:38 AM   #8
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[QUOTE=Jeff_in_KC;1849999]Hang on there, Meatlover! QUOTE]
You may have gone over it before and it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you doing what you do as long as you are up front and honest. Don't get defensive, I asked a blanket question and don't need a grown man to treat another with that tone. I thought people could post on here without getting treated like dirt. I may be new here but I deserve a little respect.
I appreciate all the answers and everyone's time to write.
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Unread 11-14-2011, 11:59 AM   #9
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LOL! If you took my reply as treating you like dirt, that's your issue, not mine. It was in no way intended that way. Maybe I should have taken offense - you did state that being an organizer is on the list of possible "inappropriate" positions for a board member.

If you want a little respect here, maybe you should take the time to get to know the forum and post a bit before jumping in and making a controversial statement in only your third post here and then calling someone out for responding in kind. Just sayin'...
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I'm not a Rep or an organizer, I don't write books or hold classes, I don't cater or vend and I am not a permanent member of a cooking team, although I do cook once or twice a year with different teams.
You judge KCBS competitions on a regular basis, correct? I'm asking because as some one who is neither an organizer, rep, nor permanent team member, I would like verification that you have some form of connection to the organization on whose board you hope to sit.

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The whole thing about reps serving on the BoD is something that has always bothered me a bit and I'm glad to see it come up here in conversation. In my opinion, it really is the definition of conflict-of-interest. Folks in this position vote on contests to sanction, then turn around and earn a paycheck working as reps (or in the case of Sam's, as organizers) for those very same contests. I'm not saying that there is any form of collusion happening today, but the undeniable fact is that the potential for it is there.

I have no problem with people certified to be reps serving on the BoD as they generally have their thumbs on the pulse of the competition world, but I do strongly believe that they should abstain from performing any rep duties while they are serving.
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The whole thing about reps serving on the BoD is something that has always bothered me a bit and I'm glad to see it come up here in conversation. In my opinion, it really is the definition of conflict-of-interest. Folks in this position vote on contests to sanction, then turn around and earn a paycheck working as reps (or in the case of Sam's, as organizers) for those very same contests. I'm not saying that there is any form of collusion happening today, but the undeniable fact is that the potential for it is there.

I have no problem with people certified to be reps serving on the BoD as they generally have their thumbs on the pulse of the competition world, but I do strongly believe that they should abstain from performing any rep duties while they are serving.
I understand that concern as well as your views. Looking at your last paragraph, don't we negate many of the benefits of having Reps on the board if we cut them off from the teams and judges?

I understand that they can benefit, slightly, financially. My greater concern would be the manner in which they get their assignments. That process is now in the office to my understanding, and the goal is to serve the organizers and make everything as fair as possible.

I think it would be fair to take a look at the process and maybe put some safeguards in place, but I'm not willing to commit to banning a Rep from working contests. I think that's a net loss for KCBS.

Cook's have the opportunity to win money, and we aren't talking about banning them from cooking. I think a healthy board would have cooks, judges, reps, and organizers. With the proper safeguards, better communication, and scrutiny from membership, I believe many perceived issues of undue benefit go away.
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You judge KCBS competitions on a regular basis, correct? I'm asking because as some one who is neither an organizer, rep, nor permanent team member, I would like verification that you have some form of connection to the organization on whose board you hope to sit.

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You wish to have verification? Dave is a dues paying memnber of the KCBS and wishes to become a director of the board to further the goals of same.
That is all that is required.
What you might not know is his tireless ambition to listen and discuss problems in the process. He judges 12 to 15 contests a year in a 4 state region. He is one of the most recognized and respected judges by cook teams in the midwest.

His biggest desire is to get judges to become more involved in the contest process and get the two groups to become a team instead of us & them.
He is constantly talking to judges trying to get them to come around the cook camps Fri. night to meet and visit with them to try and get a feeling for what's involved in cooking. Also, he trys to get them to stick around for awards to cheer on thier new friends and see how it ends as well.

I understand due to your location you not knowing of Dave and his "connection" to KCBS but rest assured his "connection" is above and beyond the norm of a dues paying KCBS member.
I believe he would make a excellent member of the board as he is what a member of a organization should be, careing and involved.
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Excuse you. I was under the impression that Dave was a candidate for an office and was willing to run as a candidate and answer questions to convince me that I should vote for him. I wasn't aware that I was forbidden to ask questions. I wasn't aware that I should vote for people simply because they are members of this forum. I wasn't aware that there are those who feel that some one who is a member of KCBS but not associated with competitive BBQ in any way shape or form is qualified to act as a member of the BOD.

I too am a dues paying member of KCBS, and a competitor, and I am a member of this forum. If Mr. Compton would like the opportunity to receive my vote when the time comes, then I would like to verify that he is associated with competition BBQ. I don't know the man, but I won't ask for your forgiveness from any one to ask questions about him. You do your friend a great disservice by jumping down the throats of the very people who's votes he hopes to receive: The ones who aren't his friends but are looking for reasons to vote for him.

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Every board member signs a conflict statement and there is a code of conduct statement that every director signs. Personally, I do not believe that conflicts should be based solely on financial gain. For example, if a KCBS board member is also on the board of MBN, that could potentially be detrimental to both organizations.

Any chance that these disclosures can be made public to the member? I would like to know this information before i am expected to vote to retain a Director. I think we deserve to know of folks are making money off of KCBS and also being a Board member.
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