american royal judges

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Happy to see the positive comments about judging. Plus some good insights.
Looking at the KCBS posting of results, there was 100% CBJ's. That is how it should be for a major contest.

As far as traveling, I routinely have judges from 3 states, sometimes more, come to judge our contest, so having a lot of non local judges does not surprise me at all.

The closeness of the scores is a tribute to the quality of the cooks.

I was an Ambassador at the Royal, and was all over the grounds. Saw the long distances some had to go for turn in ( 7 minute walk from the "Ox" lot). Having to judge cold/cool entries does not surprise me, but I would not like it as either a competitor or judge. With 545 teams, not everybody can be close to turn in.
 
carlyle said:
Happy to see the positive comments about judging. Plus some good insights.
Looking at the KCBS posting of results, there was 100% CBJ's. That is how it should be for a major contest.

As far as traveling, I routinely have judges from 3 states, sometimes more, come to judge our contest, so having a lot of non local judges does not surprise me at all.

The closeness of the scores is a tribute to the quality of the cooks.

I was an Ambassador at the Royal, and was all over the grounds. Saw the long distances some had to go for turn in ( 7 minute walk from the "Ox" lot). Having to judge cold/cool entries does not surprise me, but I would not like it as either a competitor or judge. With 545 teams, not everybody can be close to turn in.
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As Mr Brinker said, the judges got it right. He, The Scheers and the rest of the winners are phenomenal bbq chefs. The cream rose to the top in this event...kudos to the judges.

Thank you, the other ambassadors, the volunteers, the judges and everyone who helped make this an incredible event.
 
I don't see a problem with any of our scores. We thought our scores and placement were aligned with what we turned in.

We had a great time and look forward to returning to the dark side again. :twisted:
 
Outnumbered said:
One of the things that surprises me as a first time Royal competitor is the number of judges on here that are not from the Kansas City area. That's encouraging in my mind. With that many teams, you are probably getting a good read on what the best BBQ is from across the country, not just what people from Kansas City believe.
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We actually ran into more judges that traveled for the royal than were from the Kansas City area. We talked to a lot of people from Iowa, Minnesota, etc. I don't know if that is typical or not. Just what I saw this year.
 
Hey I was thrilled to get the very first call in the main four categories on Saturday (15th place chicken) and to finish 22nd overall in the Invitational in our very first Royal. Talk about making the weekend. Would I have liked to got some more love? Sure! But I look at this experience as a reminder that although we're on the right track, we still have lots of room for improvement. And I'm even more motivated to come back strong in 2013.
 
Big_AL said:
As Mr Brinker said, the judges got it right. He, The Scheers and the rest of the winners are phenomenal bbq chefs. The cream rose to the top in this event...kudos to the judges.

Thank you, the other ambassadors, the volunteers, the judges and everyone who helped make this an incredible event.
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Thanks! They also got what we did wrong, right. If that makes any sense. I did have REALLY good pork on Day 1, and my ribs were spot-on for Day 2. We were rewarded for both. My brisket left me a little flat, and the judges noticed the same thing so it scored in the 160's. My chicken was great, for me anyway, and it made it to the 170's. As much as we all complain about inconsistent judging, quite often they do get it right.

That having been said, I'm a HUGE advocate of tracking judges scores and seating them in a manner that balances the tables.......
 
We had no clue how our flavors would work...so we just cooked our normal cook both days. They kinda liked our brisket and ribs...middle of the road on our pork, and they absolutley hated our chicken...lol! :tongue:
 
I think our team would have to admit that the judges got it mostly right for our turn ins even though we don't have a ton of KCBS experience. This was our first Royal and we were happy to finish in the top 200 and with a top 50 brisket. We knew we could compete and we know we have room to improve.

When we do finally get our first call (any category) at the Royal it will be like winning the Superbowl for us.
 
congrats!

jbrink01 said:
That having been said, I'm a HUGE advocate of tracking judges scores and seating them in a manner that balances the tables.......
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i agree,

but being a new judge to KCBS...and listening to the salty old-timers...i'd just wish more judges would judge to what the team is presenting and not to their likes/dislikes or 'compairing' to another entry (and i understand some entries blow the buds off the tongues with heat or sweet...)

and the tracking 'may' lead to 'stacking' a table...hopefully the table captain is wise...

but i still think that the judges, like youmentioned earlier, get it right more often than not

and congrats again!!
 
I was reluctant to post this, but here goes. I had a team, lets call them team "A", give me their ribs to taste on Saturday. Tough, by all accounts from 4 people on our team AND by the cook.
Now, judge "b", who I know from my area, came by the site to chat and was offered one of those ribs as well. He said "that's a good rib, it has good bite". WTF - He's a master judge??? Opinions ARE like @ssholes I suppose........
 
Ok, so the Open was my first competition ever, so maybe I missed something, but where are you guys getting your individual scores from the judges? We got the booklet they handed out after the ceremony, but I haven't seen our individual scores from the judges...help?
 
At most contests you will get a sheet with scores from each judge in every category for taste, tenderness and appearance. Then you usually get a sheet with the rankings for each meat that shows the totals of those for each judge, and then the total score for that meat. Dont get those at the Royal because its too big. I understand they will be sent to us.
 
I judged both, Invitational and Open, and I must say that it was an interesting experience! Invitational went very well and my table pretty much agreed about each meat. But the Open was different! We had one judge who was not a CBJ and who was all over the place with his scores! The rest of us gave high marks for entries yet this judge gave 6s and 7s for the same thing. He doesn't cook or judge except for the Open and this was his third year there. There ought to be a law!!!
Contrary to what KCBS says, there was NOT 100% CBJs for the Open!
 
I just judged the Open. I planned on cooking but procrastinated too long getting my entry in :( My table was a nice mix...3 men, 3 women, 5 states represented from the West to the Midwest, all CBJ's with 1 contest to 20 some contests. I was the only cook. The others only judged. We had some nice interaction after each meat category. They actually asked more questions of me than I did of them. I found that I probably judged harder than they did. But in the end we were mostly in agreement.
 
jbrink01 said:
I was reluctant to post this, but here goes. I had a team, lets call them team "A", give me their ribs to taste on Saturday. Tough, by all accounts from 4 people on our team AND by the cook.
Now, judge "b", who I know from my area, came by the site to chat and was offered one of those ribs as well. He said "that's a good rib, it has good bite". WTF - He's a master judge??? Opinions ARE like @ssholes I suppose........
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Since you all weren't in the judges tent, maybe he was just being polite.
Ed
 
It's been my experience that cooks judge/score harder than non cooks. What do you think? I have actually had non cooks say "how can you judge hard when you know how much work goes into it?" Last time I checked comp bbq does not give everybody who shows up a blue ribbon. Its about being fair not nice.
 
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