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Hugh Jorgan
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Nope I mean grammar. A system of rules about word usage that defines the structure of a spoken or written language.
cdollar
Full Fledged Farker
thillin
somebody shut me the fark up.
Main Entry:1bar·be·cuePronunciation: \ˈbär-bi-ˌkyü\ Function:transitive verb Inflected Form(s):bar·be·cued; bar·be·cu·ingEtymology:2barbecueDate:1690 1 : to roast or broil on a rack or revolving spit over or before a source of heat (as hot coals) 2 : to cook in a highly seasoned vinegar sauce
— bar·be·cu·er noun
From Websters dictionary.
Doesn't say anything at all about tomatoes, mustard, beef, pork or anything else. Just the process. And the vinegar and spices.
But your first post said it had to be pork? Where does that come from?
thillin
somebody shut me the fark up.
Dictionary.com
–noun
1.pieces of beef, fowl, fish, or the like, roasted over an open hearth, esp. when basted in a barbecue sauce.
2.a framework, as a grill or a spit, or a fireplace for cooking meat or vegetables over an open fire.
3.a dressed steer, lamb, or other animal, roasted whole.
4.a meal, usually in the open air and often as a political or social gathering, at which meats are roasted over an open hearth or pit.
–noun
1.pieces of beef, fowl, fish, or the like, roasted over an open hearth, esp. when basted in a barbecue sauce.
2.a framework, as a grill or a spit, or a fireplace for cooking meat or vegetables over an open fire.
3.a dressed steer, lamb, or other animal, roasted whole.
4.a meal, usually in the open air and often as a political or social gathering, at which meats are roasted over an open hearth or pit.
Rich Parker
Babbling Farker
Holy cow it says BEEF! The Texas boyz will be able to sleep now...:biggrin:
Please note funk it does not say McRib and McRib can't be in the "or the like" category, because we can't guarantee it is real meat.
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Hugh Jorgan
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I say pork because it is the original BBQ. Traditionally, buffalo was jerked, or cooked fast directly on coals or stewed.
dictionary dot com has that definition because that is becoming an accepted usage thanks to Kraft foods. They are really the ones responsible for all the confusion. The Webster's definition has been the same for 300 years and describes exactly what BBQ is. Pork and venison were the two types of meat most frequently cooked this way.
Now, since the 1500s people have referred to pork as BBQ. It has only been in the last hundred years or so that the Texas style has been developed. And it has only been in the last 50 or so years that people began generically calling anything cooked near a fire as BBQ.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck.
If it walks like a pig and talks like a pig, it must be BBQ.
If it walks like a steer, and talks like a steer, it must be smoked brisket, steaks, veal, etc.
dictionary dot com has that definition because that is becoming an accepted usage thanks to Kraft foods. They are really the ones responsible for all the confusion. The Webster's definition has been the same for 300 years and describes exactly what BBQ is. Pork and venison were the two types of meat most frequently cooked this way.
Now, since the 1500s people have referred to pork as BBQ. It has only been in the last hundred years or so that the Texas style has been developed. And it has only been in the last 50 or so years that people began generically calling anything cooked near a fire as BBQ.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck.
If it walks like a pig and talks like a pig, it must be BBQ.
If it walks like a steer, and talks like a steer, it must be smoked brisket, steaks, veal, etc.
Rich Parker
Babbling Farker
Damn you Kraft Foods!!!:icon_pissed
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Hugh Jorgan
Guest
This is really just a regional disagreement. I prolly wouldn't do well in a contest out west because all the judges would be wanting something that tasted like the garbage at Tony Roma's. I think the opposite is true also.
In the Carolinas, we have all four of the major sauce groups. Why? Because it all started here. One thing we generally don't do though, is apply the sauce. That is for the consumer to do. I want people to be able to taste what I cook, then taste my sauce. I do occasionally sauce chicken pieces on the grill, but come on, chicken's not really meat anyway.
In the Carolinas, we have all four of the major sauce groups. Why? Because it all started here. One thing we generally don't do though, is apply the sauce. That is for the consumer to do. I want people to be able to taste what I cook, then taste my sauce. I do occasionally sauce chicken pieces on the grill, but come on, chicken's not really meat anyway.
thillin
somebody shut me the fark up.
We're not talking 300 years ago. And I would guess originally, if was fish and any other game caught that was thrown on the stick pits.
And Mr Webster's definition above still doesn't mention pork or any other meat. I guess we can agree to disagree.
And Mr Webster's definition above still doesn't mention pork or any other meat. I guess we can agree to disagree.
swamprb
somebody shut me the fark up.
I too wanna party with you! And may even join the BBQ Ministry!
In Illinois you mean
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Hugh Jorgan
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Right, it only became bar be cue when the Spaniards showed up with those tasty little piggies! The reason Danny doesn't mention pork is because it was accepted as fact and didn't need to be said. Later when the beef production started up, people still hadn't misapplied the term. That happened after WWII when, through the advent of immediate mass media, modern marketing really got started, and kraft foods "invented" that sweet syrupy sticky glop they call "bbq sauce".
#edit# I wouldn't use an online dictionary or wikipedia as a source. if you notice, pork is conspicuously absent from the dictionary dot com definition. I guess I was wrong the only type of meat that isn't BBQ is pork. I see the light.
#edit# I wouldn't use an online dictionary or wikipedia as a source. if you notice, pork is conspicuously absent from the dictionary dot com definition. I guess I was wrong the only type of meat that isn't BBQ is pork. I see the light.
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Hugh Jorgan
Guest
I have, and have responded to all. Have you?
douglaslizard
Full Fledged Farker
If it walks like a pig and talks like a pig said:
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Hugh Jorgan
Guest
Now that's comedy! :lol:
so there is no kind of pork that you feel can be smoked.
I don't get what you mean. But it's not called BBQed sausage.
ABQ
Knows what a fatty is.
I thought dinosaurs were the original bbq.
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Hugh Jorgan
Guest
Sent you another pm, don't know why the first one didn't make it.
Seriously guys, why is everyone so rankled? I am not saying anyone is doing anything wrong, or that they can't cook good. All I am saying is that most people misuse the word BBQ. So what's the big deal. Cook anything any ole way you want.
Just don't hand me a slice of roast beef and call it BBQ.
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Rick's Tropical Delight
Guest
i just started 2.83 years ago. :icon_blush:
