A HUGE Thank You to KCBS

I work in a highly complex, secure environment where perfect performance is practically required for every little detail . . . but I can tell you, clerical mistakes do happen, and especially when you have human beings involved.

But - Congratulations on the invitation! I'm sure you'll have a blast. Best of luck to you -

Just as an FYI, KCBS is not responsible for keeping track of Grand Champions for the Royal or The Jack, it was voted by the BOD to let them do their own tracking.......this takes many man hours of unpaid time...

It would have been the Contest Organizer's responsibility to inform the AR and JACK.... NOT KCBS. The people at the AR may just have mistaken. This is why you hear about teams not getting their info.... the organizer didn't finish their job.

Gene01 said:

Just as an FYI, KCBS is not responsible for keeping track of Grand Champions for the Royal or The Jack, it was voted by the BOD to let them do their own tracking.......this takes many man hours of unpaid time...

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Adding an average of 10-12 Grand Champions a week to an Excel spreadsheet shouldn't be that big of a deal. It should be done as a "courtesy" for the KCBS dues paying members and contest organizers who pay sanctioning fees. How many man hours did it take for the office staff to hand out samples and bbq sandwiches at the Extreme Makeover? How many days was the office shut down? How many man hours are used to tally Team of the Year when there's a computer program that can easily do it?

I'm not bashing the office staff WHATSOEVER! My point: Unless someone reads the Bullsheet minutes (which are usually two months behind) or sits and listens to the monthly mp3 of the Bitch Fest, how does one know that KCBS isn't composing said list? All of this just doesn't make any sense.

Diva said:

Adding an average of 10-12 Grand Champions a week to an Excel spreadsheet shouldn't be that big of a deal. It should be done as a "courtesy" for the KCBS dues paying members and contest organizers who pay sanctioning fees. How many man hours did it take for the office staff to hand out samples and bbq sandwiches at the Extreme Makeover? How many man hours are used to tally Team of the Year when there's a computer program that can easily do it?

I'm not bashing the office staff WHATSOEVER! My point: Unless someone reads the Bullsheet minutes (which are usually two months behind) or sits and listens to the monthly mp3 of the Bitch Fest, how does one know that KCBS isn't composing said list? All of this just doesn't make any sense.

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El Stephie in 2012!! ok, running to hide now.....
very well stated though, and appreciated

Gene01 said:

Just as an FYI, KCBS is not responsible for keeping track of Grand Champions for the Royal or The Jack, it was voted by the BOD to let them do their own tracking.......this takes many man hours of unpaid time...

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I thought what they were left off the hook from was keeping track of state championships not GCs.

Gene01 said:

Just as an FYI, KCBS is not responsible for keeping track of Grand Champions for the Royal or The Jack, it was voted by the BOD to let them do their own tracking.......this takes many man hours of unpaid time...

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Unpaid time ? Contests pay a sanctioning fee. Seems to me that's paid time. How much time does it take a contest rep to forward the winners name to the Royal and Jack all of 10 seconds ?

The Virginian

I just talked to KCBS office (via email), and they do supply the state champion data they have to both the Royal and the Jack. They do not have contact info on non-KCBS teams to pass along, but when a KCBS team wins a qualifier and they have their contact info on file, they give it to the organizers of the Royal and the Jack. I had a problem because we used a new name at the contest we won, and KCBS did not have the name of file (because I never told them). They were very helpful in getting things straightened out, and so was the organizer for the Royal Invitational.

Brett

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It makes sense that the contest organizers are somewhat at fault, they are the ones who have our personal information (names, address, etc). What happens to those who are not KCBS members, who don't know the rules of getting into the Invitational and do not participate on forums such as this? I'm lucky enough to know the process because of the excellent amount of information I get here. 3 years of competing, only 8 competitions under our belt, how would I know I was supposed to get a letter from the AR stating I qualified for the Invitational? Thanks for the AR threads that provided me the info.

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Organizers dont supply our team lists to anyone. They are ours.

As far as wanting someone who is not a member of an organization wanting that organization to keep track of them doesnt that seem silly? Wouldnt that be reason enough to be a member?

It takes 2 seconds to email an organizer and ask for the Grand Champion information if the GC is not a member.

At one point KCBS provided the invitational contests with the GC's from ALL of the different sanctioning bodies. THAT's a lot of work! Just providing the list of your own gc's shouldn't be that big of a deal. I couldnt imagine, in this day of technological advances, that it would be hard to get a non-members info. I wouldn't want to hand over a spreadshet that wasn't complete.

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It takes 2 seconds to email an organizer and ask for the Grand Champion information if the GC is not a member.

At one point KCBS provided the invitational contests with the GC's from ALL of the different sanctioning bodies. THAT's a lot of work! Just providing the list of your own gc's shouldn't be that big of a deal. I couldnt imagine, in this day of technological advances, that it would be hard to get a non-members info. I wouldn't want to hand over a spreadshet that wasn't complete.

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I want to make sure I am reading this right....you are saying that the AR people (or KCBS) would keep a look out at KCBS.us for all of their winners and email the organizer if the person is not a not a member?

The problem i see with that is what about the organizers that are not good responders. Now it is a chore of keeping up with who has responded and who hasnt. The first six weeks after my contest i really dont even wnat to think about my contest much less send some information from it to someone. I am mentally beat....done with BBQ...etc. :-D

I just dont think it should be the job of the kcbs office to keep track of non members. Its not a KCBS contest.

I would be in favor of the AR posting something on their site with instuctions on how to sign up for the invitational or supplying organziers with a couple of sheets to give the winner (one for the GAB, one for the AR and one for the Jack)

Maybe instead of having an organizer apply for state championship , they can apply for their winner to be invited to the "invitationals"
Once accepted , they could receive a letter from each of the three. With special letterhead and watermarks so they cannot be counterfeited. If you turn it in , you can be in , if you dont, you dont.

stlgreg said:

As far as wanting someone who is not a member of an organization wanting that organization to keep track of them doesnt that seem silly?

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It's a KCBS sanctioned contest. Whoever wins (member or not) should be reported to the invitationals. The contest pays for sanctioning. Real money not monopoly money.

just looked over this quickly but..dont most organizations have member benifits? would more teams/people join the KCBS if you had to be a member to compete in large comps?. I have to pay a membership fee to the swimming pool so my kid can go, no membership, no entry.

just thinking out loud....

Smokin' Gnome BBQ said:

just looked over this quickly but..dont most organizations have member benifits? would more teams/people join the KCBS if you had to be a member to compete in large comps?. I have to pay a membership fee to the swimming pool so my kid can go, no membership, no entry.

just thinking out loud....

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thats a road you don't want to travel. It has to do with 501C non profit stuff. A few years ago they did pass a discount for teams who were KCBS members, the organizers fought it tooth and nail. The proposal was to simply charge non members an additional fee, or raise the fees and discount the KCBS members. It was a war... There are still several contests on the East that still do this.

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thats a road you don't want to travel. It has to do with 501C non profit stuff. A few years ago they did pass a discount for teams who were KCBS members, the organizers fought it tooth and nail. The proposal was to simply charge non members an additional fee, or raise the fees and discount the KCBS members. It was a war... There are still several contests on the East that still do this.

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cool, I dont know anything about non-profits etc. Im probably looking at this as a bussiness tring to keep its lights on versus a non-profit community service issue and I have probably taken this off topic. sorry.