PBC temp

jmoney7269 said:

Wow, from what I read lately about the PBC SHEEPLE is that once someone of significance in the bbq world endorses a product, everyone goes and buys it! What ever happened to just doing the research, seeing how something g operates in real life and if it fits your budget, buy it. This is how I grew up bbqing. Burning down wood to coals in large fire pits, cooking for hundreds of people, if you can manage this his amount of coals, you can manage any pit. Any good pitmaster knows a good pit has to have an adjustable intake and exhaust to learn to regulate the temps depending on their geographic location and type of fuel for heat and if the situation warrants different wood for smoke. Whatever happened to the true pitmasters that learned from trial and error, And did what worked for them, not what everyone else says to do. IMO when the new shiny wears off PBC, they will just be another shadow.


And we didn't burn one bit of the chicken!

You gotta cook by feel, that's the only way you can call yourself a true pitmaster. I dont wanna put words in any particular members mouth, but I have a feeling they will agree with this underlying message.

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So you ventured out of Comp, jmoney! Actually, people go out and buy just about anything whether someone of significance promotes it or not. This does not just apply to bbq but any product. Turn the tv on. Reality is that not everyone has the time to do the extensive research that you have done in the WORLD of BBQ. Also, as you can see, if it fits their budget, they have bought it. What's exactly wrong with trying to shorten your learning curve by asking questions and learning from others? That IS the research you are talking bout ain't it? All of that comes with experience. Those a nice pics you posted, but let's be realistic, who cooks like that on a daily basis for that many people? Cooking by feel comes with experience too. With that in mind, not everyone is at the level of greatness you feel you are at. Again, that's where learning from others and from the cooks one does at home come into play. Like anything new, there is that moment of shine. Nothing wrong with with that. I don't want to put anymore words in my mouth, but I think you will agree with MY underlying message!
You'd better watch for those PBC's at a comp. Someone with one could just beat ya at chicken at the very least.....or maybe even a few other categories too!
Bob

Back to the topic!

I would start with only 8-10 lit coal, and not putting any extra in your chimney. It takes a little bit for the temp to come up but a slow moving temp is far easier to control, especially from a novice (like me). Also, i dont know why your chicken went dry at 180. I actually just did some a few hours ago let it cook till 170 when i basted it with sauce and cranked the heat to carmelize it. Although i had dark meat.

It makes me SMILE. Dammit, the PBC is a neat piece of machinery. Its fun. Its handsome. The PBC works. I've got lots of choices when I cook, as most Brethren do, enjoy the challenge-the smoke-the coals and the meat. And beer.

Friscoag said:

My only REAL complaint is that I can't shut it down without some sort of mod. So it just runs till its out of charcoal, not a big deal but I'd like to be able to shut it down quicker.

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Im not to big on the PBC scene, but wtf?????? you cant shut it down whenever you want?????

Friscoag said:

My only REAL complaint is that I can't shut it down without some sort of mod. So it just runs till its out of charcoal, not a big deal but I'd like to be able to shut it down quicker.

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Agreed.

Friscoag said:

My only REAL complaint is that I can't shut it down without some sort of mod. So it just runs till its out of charcoal, not a big deal but I'd like to be able to shut it down quicker.

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Looks to me like they use the cutouts as the vent flap. In order to reuse them, you need to over lap them so that you can drive the screw through them. Making bigger cutouts from steel sheet so that it covers the hole entirely, adds labor and cost, I'm sure. I forced the flap on mine all the way down to see how much gap was left, it was a good 1/2 inch or so. For me, not a big deal. If I'm going to cook on it, I try to load it up as much as possible to make the most of the coal, even in my UDS. There are mods to help with this. Maybe Noah will look at this and somehow improve that part of the design so that it fully shuts off. All in all, this is a pretty small flaw I'd say. It's not that big of an issue for me with this cooker if I can't shut it down all the way to save a few coals. Even in the UDS, after a long butt of brisket cook, I'm not saving much coal after shut down.
At factory setting:

Fully shut down:


One thing I did was I pushed the firebasket all the way up against the inside of the vent. That helped limit intake and helped shut it down a little faster, but honestly, I wasn't looking to save any coal at that point.

Trumpstylz said:

Agreed.

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Have you decided if you are going to get a WSM, PBC, or some other type of smoker yet?

Friscoag said:

My only REAL complaint is that I can't shut it down without some sort of mod. So it just runs till its out of charcoal, not a big deal but I'd like to be able to shut it down quicker.

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Neonnblack said:

Im not to big on the PBC scene, but wtf?????? you cant shut it down whenever you want?????

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I "shut down" mine tonight with ease. No mods either. Take balls of tin foil ( could even be left over used foil from the cook) and ram it into the intake and rebar holes to block up air flow. Mine went cold within 35 minutes.

jmoney7269 said:

Any good pitmaster knows a good pit has to have an adjustable intake and exhaust

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Soooooooooo.......where are the intake and exhaust controls on this beast??? :laugh:

flyingbassman5 said:

Soooooooooo.......where are the intake and exhaust controls on this beast??? :laugh:

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On that note, this is large scale grilling, not smoking. :twitch:

jmoney7269 said:

When that day happens, that team is more than welcome to come tell me "I told ya so" and I will just laugh and offer them a beer. I do t expect it to be anytime soon btw! And even if it does, I done had my arse whooped up and down the cookoff scene, wouldnt be any different to me, it happens to everyone. Now as far as my fancy pits, I earned those through hard work, trial and error, failed cooks and never asked a single person for help, Because I did the research, I paid for the meat on the failed cooks and at the end of the day, still had a ice cold miller in my hand. I'm not in any manner hating on any newbie for experimenting with a new brand, cook method etc. I will gladly help anyone with any BBQ related problem they are having.

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Most times, it sounds like you are "belittling" and not helping at all.(I'm talkin as a member, if I talked as a Moderator, I'd have a different approach based on the other posts, threads, etc that we've had to intervene in when you were involved.) Too bad you had to fail at all those cooks at the beginning and waste all the good meat. I guess you are truely 'all self made' in all aspects. Like you said, it's happened before, you have gotten schooled and whooped in the comp circuit, what should a "fancy" pit have anything to do with it? Lastly, when you address members the way you do, here and in other subforums, it DOES come across and "hating" or if I dare say, as a "belittling know it all."
As far as this FORUM is concerned, that's where OUR issues with your comments begin.

Bob

jmoney7269 said:

When that day happens, that team is more than welcome to come tell me "I told ya so" and I will just laugh and offer them a beer. I dont expect it to be anytime soon BTW! And even if it does, I done had my arse whooped up and down the cookoff scene, wouldnt be any different to me, it happens to everyone. Heck RangerJ smoked us in ribs at a comp once in Columbus,tx of nearly 40 teams and with the very exact same recipe and glaze we took a 1st out of 108. I have always said that a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and its likely to happen at a comp. Now as far as my fancy pits, I earned those through hard work, trial and error, failed cooks and never asked a single person for help, Because I did the research, I paid for the meat on the failed cooks and at the end of the day, still had a ice cold miller in my hand. I'm not in any manner hating on any newbie for experimenting with a new brand, cook method etc. I will gladly help anyone with any BBQ related problem they are having, I answer a bunch of emails every day. I just have a problem with people endorsing the new kid on the block when it ain't proven itself yet just because they got a freebie

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Like you said, it's new, it's shiny........all sorts of things get endorsed on this forum. That's how people learn about em. Instead of having a problem with it, there are two things you can do: buy one, try it, and judge for yourself.(good or bad) If you don't want to go that ROUTE, then don't bash or belittle those that have. How the hell else is the NEW kid on the block supposta make a name for himself? There are others out there that are trying to make themselves "self made" too in other areas. If anyone can appreciate that, it would be you.
If you are under the assumption that it's because it's a FREEBIE it's forced material, tell that to the folks that paid for one. It's getting proved here on the forum each day.

jmoney7269 said:

Wow, from what I read lately about the PBC SHEEPLE is that once someone of significance in the bbq world endorses a product, everyone goes and buys it! What ever happened to just doing the research, seeing how something g operates in real life and if it fits your budget, buy it. This is how I grew up bbqing. Burning down wood to coals in large fire pits, cooking for hundreds of people, if you can manage this his amount of coals, you can manage any pit. Any good pitmaster knows a good pit has to have an adjustable intake and exhaust to learn to regulate the temps depending on their geographic location and type of fuel for heat and if the situation warrants different wood for smoke. Whatever happened to the true pitmasters that learned from trial and error, And did what worked for them, not what everyone else says to do. IMO when the new shiny wears off PBC, they will just be another shadow.

And we didn't burn one bit of the chicken!

You gotta cook by feel, that's the only way you can call yourself a true pitmaster. I dont wanna put words in any particular members mouth, but I have a feeling they will agree with this underlying message.

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Well, congratulations. You just won the award for one of the most arrogant posts ever to grace the pages of our forum.

Oh, wait, we have no award for that.. probably because attitudes like that are not what we're about here.

First, lets address the term "PBC Sheeple"..in your opening sentence, which set the tone for the rest of your drivel. The PBC is a somehat new product, and if its not, then at least to us here it is.. The frenzey started with a few members excitement after buying the unit and posting their findings here... This was the same type of excitment when the 22inch WSM came out, or when we did a group buy for XL-BGE... members buy products, and post about it. Its what we are about, and to label or belittle anyone who is posting about new products is out of line. What do you think it would do to a new member, who found us in a google search for the PBC, or any product, only to find your post. Do you think they will start posting about, or asking about it after seeing an established member labeling those that are doing exactly what they came here to do? Probably not.

So, lets break down your post... a bunch of members review a product, and give it a proverbial a+.. then it comes along with a crazy discount thru kingsford.. which makes even more people buy it, and give it good reviews.. and the discount still stands.. Then, folks discover that the builders customer service is top notch.. which gives it even more credibility.... and MORE people by it...... and based on all the good press, even I by a batch... to the tune of 5 of them to give away as gifts to our staff.. it fit the budget and gave us a chance to see what all the hoopla is about.. and guess what! The first 20 folks were right..

Then you, in your unfounded infinite wisdom, come along and call those that bought the product, and know it first hand, "sheeple"..? Oh, get over yourself. Theres a Bandera Pit crew that you would fit into perfectly, but your attitude sucks for here.

Moving right along.. your next little tidbit....

'What ever happened to just doing the research, seeing how something g operates in real life and if it fits your budget, buy it. This is how I grew up bbqing.'

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Hmm.. research.. sounds like..?
Look something up on the internet.. find good reviews??? Check!
Track down some folks that have it, talk to them.. Do they like it? Yes? Check!
Go to Manufacturer site, check pricing.. find sale.. Fit Budget? YES! Check!

By your very own definition, the 'sheeple' did exactly what you say you have done growing up... Welcome to the club.

Now, the fun one. Did you read a book or something? or just watch alot of BBQ Pitmasters Season 1-3.

Burning down wood to coals in large fire pits, cooking for hundreds of people, if you can manage this his amount of coals, you can manage any pit. Any good pitmaster knows a good pit has to have an adjustable intake and exhaust to learn to regulate the temps depending on their geographic location and type of fuel for heat and if the situation warrants different wood for smoke.

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What a load of crap. A pit master can cook on ANYTHING period. Show me the adjustable intake and exhaust on a hole in the ground with a pig on a spit 2 feet above it. Show me the intake and exhaust on a cinder block pit, with a sheet steel roof and cooking a side of beef. Wheres the intake and exhaust on a caja china(do u even know what that is?) A pitmaster can make a pit out of anything, anywhere, and make it work. You thinking you need an intake and exhaust proves you have alot to learn. A pitmaster is someone who can cook on anything you throw at him and overcome challenges with a cool head.

RE: Geographic Location. ound:
You show me a 'pitmaster' who told you they give a rats ass about there geographic location (or even the available wood)and I will show you someone who is playing you and has made an accurate assessment that they can.

Seems you think you know alot, but actually still have alot to learn. My recommendation is to start watching and absorbing, and stop repeating what you think will impress people.

Whatever happened to the true pitmasters that learned from trial and error, And did what worked for them, not what everyone else says to do.

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Youre surrounded by them, just to full of yourself to notice.

Now, with all this being said, and considering your recent history and pissing contest with redneck cooker who earned himself a lockout, while you were given the benefit of the doubt, I would ditch the mightier than thou attitude before your next post.

jmoney7269 said:

Like I said, I'm willing to help anyone. And to my knowledge you have only had to intervene once in any of my postings, and that's just Because the cyber bully that started all of it got a dose of his own medicine. I have never talked down to a member or of a member. People like the ones you recently banned always have an open invitation to a face to face with me, but I doubt that will ever happen either. So don't put this solely on me Becaise some members have problems with a pit that any knowledgable person could point out before hand. If you wanna help, help! Don't go pointing fingers at me!

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Nah, has nothing to do with that ONE incident. Now I'm talking as a Moderator, there were others, there were several reports too. I am pointing fingers at you. Not just in this thread, but in others.
My advice, if you are going to help someone in QT, Comp, etc, then help and offer REAL (earnest) advice, not just, "I know it all, and learned it on my own...........now you figure it out." If that's the case, stay out of the thread.
Lastly, I realize I'm speaking for Phil here, but there is no reason for you to have a problem with promoting of any kind on the forum. The day it costs you any money out of pocket when it comes to promoting here, then you have a problem with it. Otherwise, that's part of what this place is all about. If you have issues with someone "promoting" take that up with Phil, if I spoke incorrectly in his place, he will let YOU and me know about it.

jmoney7269 said:

Do you feel better?

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Just what I thought...............:laugh:
Actually, telling you that you are full of it, makes ME feel a helluva lot better. Thanks for asking!

jmoney7269 said:

I just have a problem with people endorsing the new kid on the block when it ain't proven itself yet just because they got a freebie

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Specifically and factually, who do you know got a 'freebie'.