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thillin said:
That's why I like IBCA. Only thing in the box with the meat is a sheet of foil to make sure the styrofoam doesn't melt.
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iT TOOK ME 3 MONTHS OF BITCHIN TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO SAY THAT!

That plus their rules on chicken 1/2 jointed.

and

[FONT=&quot] "All garnishes and condiments
are prohibited, as they do not reflect the true quality of the cooked meat.

Meats may be cooked with sauces and/or other liquids, but once the cooking is complete, sauces and/or liquids cannot be added. NO PUDDLING IN BOTTOM OF TRAY.[/FONT]
 
Mista, you make good Q.

You were saying this over the phone... about IBCA.

What did I say? I think I said that the whole garnish thing was made up so that those that lacked traditional BBQ skills could compete with those that had them.

Kind of like if you were in a college classroom in say Texas, full of advanced physics students and someone let the half of elementary students from say, Kansas, get one half of their grade average based on how well they colored inside the lines in a coloring book.

The kids from Kansas could actually compete with the physics majors.

Of course I said that in a private conbversation and would never write it in this forum.
 
Sad to say my only Texas experience is Cooper's. Not that it wasn't great, but that that is the only one I have sampled. No Kreutz, no Smitty's, no anything else.
My brother lives just outside of Austin and took me to Cooper's.
Where are the other old school you speak of?
 
BobF said:
Sad to say my only Texas experience is Cooper's. Not that it wasn't great, but that that is the only one I have sampled. No Kreutz, no Smitty's, no anything else.
My brother lives just outside of Austin and took me to Cooper's.
Where are the other old school you speak of?
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Cooper's, run by the Wooten's I think is not considered by anyone to be a MECCA. Maybe some marketers. They claim the old "BIG CHOP" restaurant as their heritage.

TEXAS MECCAS

Lockhart 2003 Texas Leg made this city, which holds the three oldest BBQ families in Texas) as capitol of BBQ in Texas.

Kreuz Market THE OLD BUILDING (Pronounced Krites) 1900 1999 Rick and Don Schmidt were forced to move to new Building.

Smittys - where the old Kruez Market was but when the Schmidt Family took it over it became Smittys Market in the late 40's.

In short the Kreuz Family started it then Schmidts bought it from them, renamed the old facilty Smittys market in 1948 then in 1999 had a fight with the Kreuz side and moved to a new building calling the new building Kreuz Market (reclaiming a portion of the coals from Smittys market, which was the old Kreuz market before 1948. They kept the name but the Scmidts oddly took the name of the Kreuz as a business.

Blacks (1932) Took the "longest family run BBQ" title away in 1999 when Smittys and Kreuz split.

Southside Market - Elgin, Texas (Vince Mares of the Taylor Cafe came from here in the 40's. Home of the famous Elgin sausage. started in 1886 or so but didn't get run continously until the 1940s.

Taylor Cafe - Taylor Texas also known locally as Vencil's.
Louie Mueller's BBQ 0 Taylor Texas

Sonny Bryan's BBQ - 1910, Dallas, an Oak Cliff location opened in 1935 and 1958 another

Angelos of Fort Worth 1957 (used to be my fav until I went to Lockhart) primarily this joint, which was a bar that had the coldest beer in Texas, served BBQ to sell more beer.
 
I would love to just wrap the Que up in some butcher paper. I hate parsley.
 
My first trip to Lockhart changed my life. I convinced 4 buddies to rent a minivan with me and to drive 2300 miles in 69 hours to eat at Kreuz, Smitty's and Blacks. I am FOREVER RUINED.

If you've never tasted true Texas hill country BBQ, you're really missing out.

When I got my cooker I was all full of piss and vinegar to start competing. Now I'm not so much. I'd rather just cook the food I want to eat and not have to conform to some set standard. No offense to those of you on the circuit...

P.S. - Here's the story of my trip to Lockhart...
http://www.ntscblog.com/2006/10/ive-been-everywhere-man-ive-been-every.html
 
barbefunkoramaque said:
Cooper's, run by the Wooten's I think is not considered by anyone to be a MECCA. Maybe some marketers. They claim the old "BIG CHOP" restaurant as their heritage.

TEXAS MECCAS

Lockhart 2003 Texas Leg made this city, which holds the three oldest BBQ families in Texas) as capitol of BBQ in Texas.

Kreuz Market THE OLD BUILDING (Pronounced Krites) 1900 1999 Rick and Don Schmidt were forced to move to new Building.

Smittys - where the old Kruez Market was but when the Schmidt Family took it over it became Smittys Market in the late 40's.

In short the Kreuz Family started it then Schmidts bought it from them, renamed the old facilty Smittys market in 1948 then in 1999 had a fight with the Kreuz side and moved to a new building calling the new building Kreuz Market (reclaiming a portion of the coals from Smittys market, which was the old Kreuz market before 1948. They kept the name but the Scmidts oddly took the name of the Kreuz as a business.

Blacks (1932) Took the "longest family run BBQ" title away in 1999 when Smittys and Kreuz split.

Southside Market - Elgin, Texas (Vince Mares of the Taylor Cafe came from here in the 40's. Home of the famous Elgin sausage. started in 1886 or so but didn't get run continously until the 1940s.

Taylor Cafe - Taylor Texas also known locally as Vencil's.
Louie Mueller's BBQ 0 Taylor Texas

Sonny Bryan's BBQ - 1910, Dallas, an Oak Cliff location opened in 1935 and 1958 another

Angelos of Fort Worth 1957 (used to be my fav until I went to Lockhart) primarily this joint, which was a bar that had the coldest beer in Texas, served BBQ to sell more beer.
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talking about texas icons. it wasn't bbq but bbq was catered on occassion.we did a few private events there & bobby shelton's ranch.

crider's outdoor dance hall outside of hunt on 39.
 
The very words CRIDERS make me cry. As a child and young adult we vacationed in Hunt at Casa Bonita (Now sold and turned into condos). This was Crider's Hey dey and the origin place of the cotton eyed joe (actually it was at the crider's general store long before.

I hid under a table in the early 70's as Big Tough cowboys threw some of the Dallas Cowboys (with their long hair) over that fence. Thats a long way down. The stars at night.... endless. The gualupe river ruinning, the kids and teen couples kissing in those live oaks.

And the dance hall... those echos... a sound only dwight yokum has been able to duplicate in my opinion.

Some people drove 300-500 miles every saturday (WITHIN TEXAS BORDERS) to go there. As you know... there is little west of it.



blues_n_cues said:
talking about texas icons. it wasn't bbq but bbq was catered on occassion.we did a few private events there & bobby shelton's ranch.

crider's outdoor dance hall outside of hunt on 39.
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barbefunkoramaque said:
Cooper's, run by the Wooten's I think is not considered by anyone to be a MECCA. Maybe some marketers. They claim the old "BIG CHOP" restaurant as their heritage.

TEXAS MECCAS

Lockhart 2003 Texas Leg made this city, which holds the three oldest BBQ families in Texas) as capitol of BBQ in Texas.

Kreuz Market THE OLD BUILDING (Pronounced Krites) 1900 1999 Rick and Don Schmidt were forced to move to new Building.

Smittys - where the old Kruez Market was but when the Schmidt Family took it over it became Smittys Market in the late 40's.

In short the Kreuz Family started it then Schmidts bought it from them, renamed the old facilty Smittys market in 1948 then in 1999 had a fight with the Kreuz side and moved to a new building calling the new building Kreuz Market (reclaiming a portion of the coals from Smittys market, which was the old Kreuz market before 1948. They kept the name but the Scmidts oddly took the name of the Kreuz as a business.

Blacks (1932) Took the "longest family run BBQ" title away in 1999 when Smittys and Kreuz split.

Southside Market - Elgin, Texas (Vince Mares of the Taylor Cafe came from here in the 40's. Home of the famous Elgin sausage. started in 1886 or so but didn't get run continously until the 1940s.

Taylor Cafe - Taylor Texas also known locally as Vencil's.
Louie Mueller's BBQ 0 Taylor Texas

Sonny Bryan's BBQ - 1910, Dallas, an Oak Cliff location opened in 1935 and 1958 another

Angelos of Fort Worth 1957 (used to be my fav until I went to Lockhart) primarily this joint, which was a bar that had the coldest beer in Texas, served BBQ to sell more beer.
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So, if a person where to be standing in Lockhart TX, which one should he go eat at? Should he just go to all three (crawl), or make a week of it?
 
michiana mark said:
So, if a person where to be standing in Lockhart TX, which one should he go eat at? Should he just go to all three (crawl), or make a week of it?
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yup. make a week of it & hit a few places in austin. magnolia cafe for breakfast & definitely 6th st. @ night if you've never been there.
 
barbefunkoramaque said:
Cooper's, run by the Wooten's I think is not considered by anyone to be a MECCA. Maybe some marketers. They claim the old "BIG CHOP" restaurant as their heritage.
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They definately have a following though. In fact, we had them cater our wedding. My wife wore cowboy boots under her dress and we told the guests to wear jeans. Outdoor wedding on a perfect Texas October day.

So, Cooper's definately ranks on my list. Their pork chops are excellent.
 
Last night I took my wife and kids up to Lockhart. We go there once a month for our barbecue binge. We live just north of San Antonio, in Bulverde.

We went to Chisolm Trail first and had brisket and sausage (and sides). On the way out, we picked up some hot links and a pound of sausage at Kreuz's. This is rare, but I wanted to compare again because of recent threads like this one. I did so in the parking lot.

I really hope that folks will analyze this cliche' very carefully when heading to Lockhart:

"The local people eat at Chisolm Trail"

Think about it. Meditate upon it. Sound each phonetic particle in your mind.

Not only do the local people eat there, but also my family. The reason is because the barbecue is absolutely amazing, and consistently so.

I will never go to Blacks, Smitty's, or Kreuz's again.

As to Coopers, (there is a new one on the way in New Braunfels) they specifically try not to have smoke flavor in their meats. I was told that personally by Mr. Cooper.

We ate at the one in Llano once, before I knew this fact. Then we ate in the new one in New Braunfels right after it opened.

We drive past it every month on our way to Chisolm Trail.

And don't ever get me going about Barbecue in San Antonio ... Bile Millers ... :icon_frow

Bulverde
 
You had to revive this one Funk ??? :biggrin:

It's making my mouth water all over again !!! You can see the simplicity, quality and passion/pride in those pics. It makes the point very easy to understand about traditional vs. "nuevo" and competition bbq.

I really hope I can make a trip there one day just to experience it (good or bad).
 
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