Who done it?

---k--- said:

You realize that is exactly what gets some people's panties in a bunch over Noah and PBC. Drum cooking & hanging meat has been around for a long time. PBC didn't invent it. But they are making money off it.

I don't see any issues with selling them by anyone. It is taking a design that has been around a long time and selling them. PBC makes a nice product for the right price. Therefore i own one. Maybe they tweeked it to get it just right, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking they did something revolutionary here.

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Lazybones said:

Not to start too big of a flame war, but isn't the PBC a knock-off of the UDS? Drums have been cooked on for ages, it's not like the PBC guys invented this amazing new form of cooking. While the guy doesn't need to be selling the drums with the liner, let's not rake him over the coals for making a buck just like the PBC guys.

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Oy :doh:

I knew that was gonna be the response to my post..

I am NOT talking about the hanging method of cooking or the method of cooking in a barrel. Anyone can do that.

Here is what I was getting at...While the guy IS doing the two methods from above, he is also selling (for commercial profit and gain) a barrel that is 90% identical to the Pit Barrel. Sure a few cosmetic differences exist and it is 55gal instead of 30 but he basically copied the overall design and is now selling them.

Again, I'm not saying that Noah invented the UDS or revolutionized the "cooking with hooks" method or that the PBC is the end all be all of cookers. However, you can't deny that this guy is building something that is oddly similar to the PBC, which Noah owns the rights to. Its just something that I think should be questioned.

For it to be an infringement, Noah would have to have applied for or received a Patent on the PBC. Copyright covers the name Pit Barrell Cooker, not the design.

Bluesman said:

For it to be an infringement, Noah would have to have applied for or received a Patent on the PBC. Copyright covers the name Pit Barrell Cooker, not the design.

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Thanks for the correction and info.

Exactly why I was questioning it. I guess these barrels and the seller are bound to smell like fish forever..

Oh well..

flyingbassman5 said:

However, you can't deny that this guy is building something that is oddly similar to the PBC, which Noah owns the rights to. Its just something that I think should be questioned.

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We really don't need to prosecute this more. But, I can't help myself. ... My personal opinion is that Noah should not be able to own the rights to anything in his design. I don't think there is anything in his design that represents a substantial difference or improvement beyond previously existing work. To me, whether your hole is 3" or 2.5" or 2" isn't a substantial difference, etc. Just my opinion.

Regardless. The PBC is a nice cooker at a nice price. I wouldn't have a problem recommending it to people. Same as the WSM. I look forward to using mine more.

I'm moving on.... back to red liners being evil. or are they?? anyone got proof? I vote evil.

Just wondering, has there been any testing or history of a barrel with the liner still in it?

At what temp do the various liners off gas or melt?

Never considered it, but what if.



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I think I'll just stick to unlined barrels myself. Wouldn't want to chance it really. Not hard for me to get hands on unlined so, why bother.

I do think the red makes it sharp. Just too purdy for me. :sly:

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To me, whether your hole is 3" or 2.5" or 2" isn't a substantial difference

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:laugh::doh::twitch:

---k--- said:

Regardless. The PBC is a nice cooker at a nice price. I wouldn't have a problem recommending it to people. Same as the WSM. I look forward to using mine more.

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Agreed! I love my PBC! :biggrin1: Because of that I just wanted to challenge the guy on his barrels. Trust me, my panties aren't in a bind over it. I'm a real man, I go commando. :loco:

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I'm moving on.... back to red liners being evil. or are they?? anyone got proof? I vote evil.

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Moved. I vote evil too. I wouldn't be able to cook on it without that thought in the back of my head telling me I'm crazy for doing so. That's just me though..

Smoothsmoke said:

Although most UDS are not used at more than 350-400F. Near the charcoal basket would easily exceed that and burn off the liner. Is the liner dangerous, not sure?

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Exactly. Yeah the temp up by the grate is only 200* to 350*, but directly beneath the charcoal basket? Hot.

I use a lot of epoxy concrete anchors and such. I know in these the epoxy starts to get soft starting at like 180*. I got a strength vs. temp chart here somewhere. I have no idea if the liners is similar epoxy or not.

But, it would be interesting to test. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if someone proved that under normal usage it was just fine. But if I was forced to bet, I would bet on it outgassing.