BBQ Ethics

I don't think we are. We simply don't have the level of drama in how animals destined for our tables are treated. Sure, I'd like it to be massages and beer and harps playing, but that's not realistic, and I am ok with that.

Maybe I'm a cynic, but I think the OP has an agenda and is simply trying to convey it in a way to make his or her point without the picketing and pig's blood.

Starving children is an entirely different topic IMHO.
Its still an important topic even if he is trolling. We have some seriously poor practices regarding how most of the best in this country is produced. But we made the mess with a demand for cheap, massive cuts.


I oversee operations for a fairly large hunger alleviation agency in Dallas. I hope I understand the starving children angle better than most. We don't have a food problem. We have a logistics and political problem. There's no reason for anyone to go to bed hungry in the wealthiest country the world has ever seen. It's insane.
 
Its still an important topic even if he is trolling. ....


In your opinion. I actually disagree that it is all that important of a topic or else there would be more public discourse. It's getting some air-time here for a multitude of reasons.

Just like sausage - we like to eat it, but most people don't care to know what goes into making it. Doesn't stop them from eating it.


I get your sensitivity on the availability of food topic, but that is an entirely different issue as previously mentioned with many many socioeconomic, political, even ethnic and racial variables, certainly not germane to Q-Talk.
 
I don't believe a lot of what I read/hear, but most of these practices are promoted in some form or fashion by the government. It's why I am moving towards a more local approach or at least knowing where my food comes from instead of just at the store. If pork is like beef, it can be raised in a place like China (owns Smithfield) and as long as it is processed here they can slap a "USA product" sticker on it and sell it at the store. A quick search shows how serious their African swine flu has become.
 
"certainly not germane to Q-Talk."

Line from Archie Bunker "what's the GD Germans got to do with it?"

sorry-had to.

play on.
 
Maybe I'm a cynic, but I think the OP has an agenda and is simply trying to convey it in a way to make his or her point without the picketing and pig's blood.

I promise I'm not trolling. Regardless my line of questioning, I love eating (and preparing) meat, and would like to continue doing so.

Great suggestions here for how to do so more ethically. Some of them I've thought a lot about. Others are newer. Excited to learn more.

I felt lots of tension around posting this in the first place because a part of me wishes I could be naive to the broader effects of my dietary choices. And despite how it may come across to some of you more sensitive types, I'm not particularly keen on turning anyone else onto this pity party. You can think for yourselves. I also knew there'd inevitably be folks who confuse my line of questioning for that of some kind of enemy ("burn the peta witch!"). The latter definitely ain't my problem.

Probably my last reply on this thread, but I'll keep reading your responses. I've learned so much from this community over the years. Thanks, brethren.
 
I promise I'm not trolling. Regardless my line of questioning, I love eating (and preparing) meat, and would like to continue doing so.

I hope that's the case, but like I said, I'm a cynic. If indeed you thought you would find some enlightenment in this great forum to your heretical thinking I hope you did. You provided me some amusement either way so thanks.


P.S. Those Costco prime NY strips I just had for dinner were awesome!
 
I promise I'm not trolling. Regardless my line of questioning, I love eating (and preparing) meat, and would like to continue doing so.

Great suggestions here for how to do so more ethically. Some of them I've thought a lot about. Others are newer. Excited to learn more.

I felt lots of tension around posting this in the first place because a part of me wishes I could be naive to the broader effects of my dietary choices. And despite how it may come across to some of you more sensitive types, I'm not particularly keen on turning anyone else onto this pity party. You can think for yourselves. I also knew there'd inevitably be folks who confuse my line of questioning for that of some kind of enemy ("burn the peta witch!"). The latter definitely ain't my problem.

Probably my last reply on this thread, but I'll keep reading your responses. I've learned so much from this community over the years. Thanks, brethren.

If I read you right, and I am relating what I could do down here, I am sure you still have Butchers that paddock dress animals
Find yourself such a Butcher and you would be getting Meat that is treated well, leading a contented life.
meat tastes better, is,should be treated Better, maybe as good as Cowgirl would.
I get meat as such when doing Bulk Buys, yes its pricey,
just my take. Good luck with your Quest
 
as I was pondering your question I was suddenly interrupted by the screams of a baby rabbit as my beloved cat Oscar choked the life out of it

it's easy to be ethical when your this far on top of the food chain.
 
I promise I'm not trolling. Regardless my line of questioning, I love eating (and preparing) meat, and would like to continue doing so.

Great suggestions here for how to do so more ethically. Some of them I've thought a lot about. Others are newer. Excited to learn more.

I felt lots of tension around posting this in the first place because a part of me wishes I could be naive to the broader effects of my dietary choices. And despite how it may come across to some of you more sensitive types, I'm not particularly keen on turning anyone else onto this pity party. You can think for yourselves. I also knew there'd inevitably be folks who confuse my line of questioning for that of some kind of enemy ("burn the peta witch!"). The latter definitely ain't my problem.

Probably my last reply on this thread, but I'll keep reading your responses. I've learned so much from this community over the years. Thanks, brethren.

It is very simple. Buy meat that you know is ethically raised, at least by your own standards.I suspect they vary by person. With the two decades or so of the local food movement that should be easy to do, just more expensive.
 
I fish, I hunt and I eat everything I harvest.
If I could hunt every piece of meat I feed my family, I would.
Simply not feasible in this day and age.
But, if TSHTF, I'm not gonna starve.

You've obviously not practiced what you preach.
You will only live as long as it takes another Hunter/Gather to drop you. Everybody will be your competition.

My plan is different. I see plenty of meat walking around. Go Canibal! :clap:
Just remember, the smell of cooking meat will attract all sorts of hungry vermin.
Yum! Leg-O-Person! Tastes like Pork.
 
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I have no problem with buying and eating meat.
Somebody has to. Otherwise, the store has to throw it away.

I also have no qualms about eating a can of Beans, or a can of Chili.
Does a Carrot scream when it is ripped from the ground?
Do Berries cry when plucked from the bush?
Or an Apple panic, a Walnut quiver?

You sound like you are in a quandary. And a bit young...

Want to change the world? Stop the growth of the Human Race.
We are a mold upon the Earth, and destined to die when the ball is covered.
The scales are tipping.
And you are worried about eating meat from a store.

PETA means: People Eating Tasty Animals
 
I’m not really bothered with ethics about commercial animals, but I do practice responsibly when hunting and do not take anything I won’t process and feed to my family.
 
I think what is lost in this conversation is that it has turned largely into ethically treating animals and making fun of PETA. Sure, there is a place for the conversation on the ethics of how the animals themselves are treated, but in my mind it's not even close to the more important part of the conversation.

To me this discussion has to begin moreso with the sustainability of it all. Modern mass agriculture has become an energy conversion process. It's all about converting diesel fuel into human calories. Long lasting effects on the environment (and its people) be damned. Yes, meat becomes a hot button because it takes a lot more diesel fuel to grow [factory farmed] cow calories than it does [factory farmed] corn calories. But make no mistake, the way corn/soybeans/wheat are farmed is a massive issue; meat just exacerbates it since such a large percentage of those grains go towards meat production.

The answer for those of us that are willing to be concerned with such things is to avoid factory farmed meat (and grains) as much as possible. Shop as local as possible and as sustainably as possible. I am fortunate enough to still have local butchers and farmers around to purchase from. If I want they're more than willing to allow me to come over and meet the animals that will become my dinner.

Beyond just meat I participate in a CSA for eggs and veggies every year. I get a fresh box of seasonal veggies all summer long. I get dozens of pastured chicken eggs all summer long. In the winter I eat less eggs, and I try to eat as much of my frozen/canned veggies rather than store-bought veggies.

The tradeoff for these practices, as others have mentioned is cost. My chicken costs about $4/lb. Individual pork and beef cuts are much higher priced than the grocery store (although can be quite reasonable if buying whole/half animals). Eggs are about $5/dozen. My veggies cost more. The other tradeoff is seasonality. I don't eat "fresh tomatoes" outside of July/August/September; the rest of the year it's only my canned. I don't eat "sweet corn" unless it's in season, or it's the frozen stuff I purchased locally and sliced off the ear myself.

Obviously, the other big tradeoff is time. It takes a lot more effort to buy local sweetcorn in July, cut it off the cobs, and freeze it, than it does to buy a bag of corn at Wal-Mart. It takes a lot of time to can my own tomatoes. Etc, etc. But by buying locally and processing myself I get much better tasting products, I get healthier products, and it GREATLY reduces the carbon footprint of my family's eating habits.

I understand not everybody can afford to take up the local/sustainable option monetarily, which to me is a societal problem not to be discussed here. I also know it's a lot more work/effort to employ it (and trust me I'm FAR from perfect). But I do think it's worth discussing because the current food system will collapse at some point in the future. Perhaps not in my lifetime or my kid's lifetime, but eventually. The earth cannot sustain the amount of fossil fuels we're currently using, nor the amount of chemicals we're applying to fields in order to feed this level of population so cheaply.
 
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