Charbroiled lid

Scored a 4-year-old Charbroil charcoal kettle on Craigslist for $12. Burning drum for 2nd time tonight. getting anxious to finish.
 
a diffuser of a water pan will catch the drippings and prevent the fat on charcoal thing but then the drum becomes a weber smokey mountain!

that being said, when i make a full rack of moinks i put a big pizza pan with a layer of water as a diffuser to keep the smoke down.
 
What are you using for a charcoal basket, do you have it 3 inches from the bottom or ash pan?

Blackdog.. Yes, I do have it elevated, as such. So not sure that is it.

Mine runs along pretty well with one cap off (3/4in) and valve half way open. If you close it down too much it can't get enough air and will drop the temp. It may actually "backdraft" and fluctuate the temp when it exhales and then inhales a large amount of air. Drums take a while to settle in, set the valves and leave it, for 30 min, before adjusting. small adj should only be needed.

Mark... Yeah, I've had it several different ways to hopefully figure out what Ole Blue likes. One uncapped and try to adjust w/ valve. Just the valve. Even two uncapped w/ foil wrapped tight around the nipple and small hole in each. The first two burns, were beautiful, as temps settled in between 225 and 250 and marched right along. Since then though, not sure what has changed. Still working to figure it out.... It may just be temperamental like my wife!! :eusa_clap
 
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I see an elephant, with a tutu, and dancing..... :wacko: Wait!!! Wrong forum!!!

Really, it does raise the question as to the pattern of holes... Artistic freedom, or is there a pattern you've come up with? Inquiring minds want to know..

I've been wanting to try a diffuser also, looked at a pizza pan from Wally World that already has small holes in it. Wondered if that would work... Doesn't have the larger, med, small holes like yours. Somebody else on here also created a diffuser that as they progressed outward from the center, their cuts/holes, got larger....
 
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****UPDATE***** (9:30am EST Sunday)

Ok, so "Black Magic" is chugging along at 225 going on 3.5 hours now. I put 15 lbs of charcoal in the basket, and "minioned" about a dozen briquettes on top. Took about 45 minutes for it to settle at 250 with one nipple capped. I then capped the second nipple (of three) and closed the ball valve about 25% to coax it down to 225, and there she is now humming along, hopefully for the entire smoke. We'll see.

An 11-pound brisket is about 7 lbs bigger than anything I have ever cooked (grilled, baked, or otherwise). I made a last-minute executive decision to smoke her fat side DOWN, for fear of too much direct heat in my short (34") barrel. My logic being that the .25" layer of fat will insulate against direct heat. We'll see if that turns out to be a wise move. I've had the brisket trimmed and rubbed for more than 24 hours so I'm hoping the final product won't suffer for lack of flavor from the fat that I would have gotten from the fat being on top.

She's be smoking since 6am. My plan is to turn her at noon, and start mopping every hour from that point forward until I get to an internal temp of 175. The I will wrap her in foil with a final mop and leave her on until I get to 190. Then off she'll come for 45 mins of rest before then fun begins.

Any thoughts or help you can offer this nervous newbie are appreciated!!!

-Bastid
 
I was going for the a couple of pigs at a bar with a chicken, but you know how modern art can be: misunderstood.

Actually the whole pattern of holes came about from trying to equalize the temps center to edge. With that result in mind I used 15 thermometer probes placed at random locations both inside and outside the drum, some with working batteries and some without, to read the temps as a spatch-cocked turkey was cooking. These data were fed through an as yet unreleased version of Stoker Log and the temps were plotted on Smokin' Turkeys CNC machine and the resultant pattern was the result. I have since taken some artistic liberty and drilled more random sized and placed holes to great and successful culinary effect.

In reality, everything is purely random.

This is in reply to stglide's question.
 
I was going for the a couple of pigs at a bar with a chicken, but you know how modern art can be: misunderstood.

Actually the whole pattern of holes came about from trying to equalize the temps center to edge. With that result in mind I used 15 thermometer probes placed at random locations both inside and outside the drum, some with working batteries and some without, to read the temps as a spatch-cocked turkey was cooking. These data were fed through an as yet unreleased version of Stoker Log and the temps were plotted on Smokin' Turkeys CNC machine and the resultant pattern was the result. I have since taken some artistic liberty and drilled more random sized and placed holes to great and successful culinary effect.

In reality, everything is purely random.

This is in reply to sgtglide's question.

:doh: LMAO!! I had pulled up my CAD to start plotting! Glad you replied before I went through the trouble... :becky:

Tks Smokin'D.. just curious.
 
Sounds as though your backyard is smelling nice right about now. The fat down will serve you well in this endeavor with the drum so have no worries. Keep us posted with your progress and as always, good luck.
 
Sounds as though your backyard is smelling nice right about now. The fat down will serve you well in this endeavor with the drum so have no worries. Keep us posted with your progress and as always, good luck.
Sounds as though your backyard is smelling nice right about now. The fat down will serve you well in this endeavor with the drum so have no worries. Keep us posted with your progress and as always, good luck.

Wife just called me on my cell saying the temp is reading 250. Wow -- it still rose with 2 of 3 nipples capped and the ball valve 25% close. I told Mrs. Bastid to crank the ball valve shut another 25% and choke off the exhaust just a tad. We'll see if that won't calm Black Magic down a tad....

I'll keep ya posted.

-Bastid
 
I've been experimtenting with a diffuser for the UDS for several months now. I've got a design that seems to be working. This is my latest Revision #3 which will be tested in 3 BUFORDS next Saturday.

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SmokerKing!! Thanks!! I see it has. Couldn't remember for sure who it was, but I do recognize the design! :-D

I really need to get off here and get some stuff done...
 
Smokerking do you have a PDF of the defuser? My temps are allover the place inside the drum and this would help stabilize the temps.

3 Bufords? I have seen the orginal one, the camo one, what is the third? Pics please
 
Smokerking do you have a PDF of the defuser? My temps are allover the place inside the drum and this would help stabilize the temps.

3 Bufords? I have seen the orginal one, the camo one, what is the third? Pics please

pic .pdf? or are you asking for dims., etc.?

Revision #2 worked well, got the center and outside within 20-25 degrees of each other under 300 degrees. BUFORD got up to temp, used the same amount of fuel, no unusual side effects by using the diffuser.

On Revision #3 I eliminated another ventilation ring that was closest to the center.

Not sure if a diffuser like this will stabilize your temps on your drum. My drums all work and respond well too valve and exhaust adjustments and temps stabilize for long cooks. You may have other problems with your drum if your temps are all over the place?

My goal with this diffuser is to reduce the temp difference from the center of the drum to the outside of the drum.

I've actually built 4) BUFORD's, this is #4. I never posted pictures of #2, "Scrapyard Dog".

The fabrication of BUFORD #4 is being completed today, painting this week. It's a very simple design, much less eccentric than #1 & #2.
 
Yep, SmokerKing, that looks like the ticket. Larger openings toward the outer edge to move that heat out. Good job. Let us know the outcome.
 
pic .pdf? or are you asking for dims., etc.?

Revision #2 worked well, got the center and outside within 20-25 degrees of each other under 300 degrees. BUFORD got up to temp, used the same amount of fuel, no unusual side effects by using the diffuser.

On Revision #3 I eliminated another ventilation ring that was closest to the center.

Not sure if a diffuser like this will stabilize your temps on your drum. My drums all work and respond well too valve and exhaust adjustments and temps stabilize for long cooks. You may have other problems with your drum if your temps are all over the place?

My goal with this diffuser is to reduce the temp difference from the center of the drum to the outside of the drum.

I've actually built 4) BUFORD's, this is #4. I never posted pictures of #2, "Scrapyard Dog".

The fabrication of BUFORD #4 is being completed today, painting this week. It's a very simple design, much less eccentric than #1 & #2.

I have the same reason as you for wanting a diffuser. I can control the temperature inside the UDS but within the interior the temps fluctuate. Looking for a way to lower the hot spots and raise the cold spots.

If you had a PDF I could print it out and take it to the metal shop. If not I can work with the picture you provided.

Please post photos of Scrapyard Dog. That sounds interesting and fun, as yours are always unique and awesome
 
I have the same reason as you for wanting a diffuser. I can control the temperature inside the UDS but within the interior the temps fluctuate. Looking for a way to lower the hot spots and raise the cold spots.

If you had a PDF I could print it out and take it to the metal shop. If not I can work with the picture you provided.

Please post photos of Scrapyard Dog. That sounds interesting and fun, as yours are always unique and awesome

I want to test this design before I release dims. etc. This one is already Revision #3 and I've spent a lot of time and a few bucks to get to this point. Wouldn't want to see anyone else go through my learning curve.

"Scrapyard Dog" was built for a friend, he didn't want any of it painted and no cart. He uses it all the time but now want to bring it by for the "cone top" upgrade. I'll take some pics. then.....:thumb:
 
I told Mrs. Bastid to crank the ball valve shut another 25% and choke off the exhaust just a tad. We'll see if that won't calm Black Magic down a tad....

I'll keep ya posted.

-Bastid
Never choke the exhaust. You will get stale smoke and just cause the thing to rally get out of wack with the temps.
 
UDS in Progress

So far, so good. The worst part was that red liner. I'm painted, curing and seasoning. I will probably run one additional burn-in with PAM for grills after I get the Charbroil dome installed this week.
 
My FIRST smoke on a UDS

Well folks, my journey to building my UDS (Black Magic) and smoking my first brisket was a long and arduous one. But allow me to report the good and bad findings derived from my first smoking experience.

First the good.

Building the UDS was easy. The hardest part, by far, was the construction of the fire basket. I ended up just paying a local metal shop to weld it for me. They also welded an axle on which I attached replacement lawnmower wheels. That worked great.

The smoking experience worked flawlessly. I loaded 15 lbs of charcoal and lit her with the minion method easily. She settled at 225 after capping two of the three nipples and choking down the ball valve. She stayed at 225 all day -- which is simply amazing. I used three chunks of hickory for the smoke. My UDS poured smoke out the chimney all day. Perfect.

Now the not so good.

This first experience was an 11-pound center-cut brisket. Probably not smart to start with such an intimidating piece of meat. Everything I've read indicated that at 225, I can expect an hour or so per pound to get to my desired temp (which was 180-190 range). Sooooo -- 11-pounds = approximately 11 hours of smoking. Right?

Dinner was called for 6pm (I had family coming over). I woke up at 5:30am (Yes, on a Sunday). Got Black Magic chugging along. By 6am, she was settling nicely around 240 on her way back down to 225. I put my room-temperature brisket on at 6:15, and went back to bed for a few hours. My thinking -- 11 hours of smoking will get me to roughly 5pm. I'll have an hour to let the meat rest, and then on with the festivities.

Well folks, at 1pm I went to turn the brisket and decided to start taking meat-temps. I inserted the probe, and was shiocked to see an internal temp of 165! What??? I was planning on taking the meat off at 175 around 5pm-- but how could this be? At 1pm I was almost done cooking an 11 pound brisket! I double checked the UDS temp at grate level, and sure enough she's reading 225. What in holy hell was happening here?

By 2pm it was official. I had to get the brisket off the smoker. She was at 180 and I did NOT want to overcook this succulent morsel. I took it off, wrapped tightly in foil, and fretted about what to do -- it was still 4 hours til dinner! I remembered a post on here where someone suggested wrapping the foiled brisket in towels and sticking in a cooler in this situation -- which is exactly what I did. I don't like the idea of meat being off the heat for hours, lest it go bad, but I was in a pinch!

Well, the brisket was still warm when I started cutting it at 6pm. And while it was ok, it was NOT the succulent delight I had expected. It didn't have the bark I was looking for. And the meat was dry in parts. Aghast!! It was tasty -- but not "BBQ Brethren" caliber.

So, I'm left wondering how my UDS somehow defied the laws of Physics by cooking so quickly even at low temps. I don't believe the temp probe is broken because I know what 225 feels like, and it seemed right on. :confused:

Any thoughts on how you can talk me off the UDS cliff would be appreciated.

-Bastid
 
Because of a more direct heat method, rather than the indirect heat from a standard offset or a 'water pan' smoker like the Weber Smokey Mountain, everything cooks faster on a UDS. You'll get used to that eventually, but I could see how you must have been surprised.

Regarding the bark - of course you won't get the crispy/crunchy bark when you have to foil that long, because it softens the bark. However, if everything else is done correctly, most folks will tell you they'll give up the bark texture in exchange for how incredibly moist a brisket will turn out after doing the foil method.

Since yours wasn't as moist as you thought it should be, I'm wondering if you were cooking at a higher temp than what you thought you were??

From what I recall reading, you took the internal temp to 180 and then foiled. That is just about perfect for slicing, IMO. Meaning - when you remove it at 180 and foil, then it should continue to climb to 185 or so, which is right in that range you want to be in for slicing

However, one thing that even foiling cannot fix - is meat that dries out because it's cooked at too hign of a smoker temp. Were you relying only on your UDS gauge, or did you have something digital inside, like a Maverick ET-73 for example?

My thought is that you were cooking at a higher temp that what you thought, but even then - it sometimes is ok to cook a brisket at higher temps, like around 275 or even 300.

My thought would be - just try it again and enjoy the practice! :)
It could have been the quality of the cut of meat too....it's not always the chef's fault, right?!?
 
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