Sleep at contests/type of cooker etc...

Sawdustguy · Sep 12, 2007

The Giggler said:
Nice. That really doesn't seem outrageous. Do you know what brand of trailer the use for the base? And is there a website available?

We're working with Klose Pits for a couple smaller units to load/unload via an electric winch. The pit we have is big. Too big for experimental cooks. Besides, with a little one on the way - I doubt highly that weekends will be dedicated to catering and vending. Competition is a family event already. Looking to do more of it in the future. (Can't wait for the first picture with bbq sauce all over his/her face And a cargo trailer will have plenty of room for the pack n' play....

Thanks.

I know you have a relationship with Dave Klose so I won't try to sway you to another manufacturer. If Dave Klose is going to manufacture the pit may I suggest he make some sort of airtight insulated vertical that a BBQ Guru or Stoker can control so you can sleep at night. As an example, we can run our Spicewine on 2 1/2 bags of charcoal for well over 24 hours at 225*. You can set any temperature you want and the cooker will lock at that temperature. We had a Lang 84D and got tired of the stick burner real fast. Sleep is a good thing at a contest.

we'll smoke u · Sep 12, 2007

I agree with Sawdustguy a insulated virtical is the way to go. acouple of hour of sleep during comp is very nice.

Jeff Hughes · Sep 13, 2007

we'll smoke u said:
I agree with Sawdustguy a insulated virtical is the way to go. acouple of hour of sleep during comp is very nice.

I get over five hours sleep at every comp using my Klose charcoal basket...

we'll smoke u · Sep 13, 2007

Jeff Hughes said:
I get over five hours sleep at every comp using my Klose charcoal basket...

How much sleep are you getting with out your charcoal basket.

I was not saying horizontals are not good I just find that the verticals work better for me. I get a 15 to 20 hour burn on my small vertical and 20 to 24 hour burn with my big smoker.

The Giggler · Sep 13, 2007

we'll smoke u said:
How much sleep are you getting with out your charcoal basket.

I was not saying horizontals are not good I just find that the verticals work better for me. I get a 15 to 20 hour burn on my small vertical and 20 to 24 hour burn with my big smoker.

We have been getting 1.5-2 hours of sleep after stoking. No doubt, the insulated verticals are efficient. My WSM pratically runs itself, and I often cook shoulder for catering overnight without giving it a second thought.

It is fun cooking with quartered logs though, even with the extra maintenance. Besides, you get excercise from splitting, stacking, and loading. And that cancels out all those extra calories from eating Q!

Jeff Hughes · Sep 13, 2007

we'll smoke u said:
How much sleep are you getting with out your charcoal basket?

I'm not trying to sleep when I'm playing with fire and drinking and hanging out with my buddies.

When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.

I was not saying horizontals are not good I just find that the verticals work better for me. I get a 15 to 20 hour burn on my small vertical and 20 to 24 hour burn with my big smoker.

I cook on an Egg at home all the time. 12 hour burns are the norm. That kind of sleep is great, but not matter at a contest.

Your comment was about comp cooking, not the need for a 20 hour burn.

Sawdustguy · Sep 13, 2007

Jeff Hughes said:
I'm not trying to sleep when I'm playing with fire and drinking and hanging out with my buddies.

When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.

I cook on an Egg at home all the time. 12 hour burns are the norm. That kind of sleep is great, but not matter at a contest.

Your comment was about comp cooking, not the need for a 20 hour burn.

I couldn't disagree with you more. With todays highly insulated pits and electronic controls there is no reason to stay up and keep watch on your pit at all. The electronics has alarms for pit high temp, low temp etc. Do you think Pellet Envy stays up all night to keep watch on his FEC100's?

ique · Sep 14, 2007

Jeff Hughes said:
When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.

I think some do, some don't. At a comp I like to check in on things every four hours even though my Backwoods/Gurus run unattended for an easy 12hrs.

If I had a nice off-set like a Klose, Horizon or Meadow Creek I'd be looking at the power cooking method, putting the big meats on at 4am.

Jeff Hughes · Sep 14, 2007

Sawdustguy said:
I couldn't disagree with you more. With todays highly insulated pits and electronic controls there is no reason to stay up and keep watch on your pit at all. The electronics has alarms for pit high temp, low temp etc. Do you think Pellet Envy stays up all night to keep watch on his FEC100's?

I bet he gets up every few hour and checks his pit. It is not unheard of to blow a fuse or a breaker, or for a control panel to go out. I have a lot of friends that cook on FECs, they all check their cookers more than every eight hours.

I never said I stay up all night checking my pit, if you read my post you would see that my point was that I don't have to.

Jeff Hughes · Sep 14, 2007

ique said:
I think some do, some don't. At a comp I like to check in on things every four hours even though my Backwoods/Gurus run unattended for an easy 12hrs.

If I had a nice off-set like a Klose, Horizon or Meadow Creek I'd be looking at the power cooking method, putting the big meats on at 4am.

I'm working on power cooking. I cook around Buffalo, Head Country II, and Twin Oaks all the time. Those guys all power cook. They also win a lot.

The Giggler · Sep 14, 2007

Jeff Hughes said:
I'm working on power cooking. I cook around Buffalo, Head Country II, and Twin Oaks all the time. Those guys all power cook. They also win a lot.

What's power cooking? High temps, shorter times? I am unfamiliar with the nomenclature, help a Brethren out.

ique · Sep 14, 2007

The Giggler said:
What's power cooking? High temps, shorter times? I am unfamiliar with the nomenclature, help a Brethren out.

Yes cooking at ~350*. Usually just a couple of hours in the smoke and then foil with a total cook time on butts/briskets of about 5 hrs. If you want to take a class on this check out Myron Mixon's classes.

we'll smoke u · Sep 14, 2007

Jeff Hughes said:
I'm not trying to sleep when I'm playing with fire and drinking and hanging out with my buddies.

When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.

I cook on an Egg at home all the time. 12 hour burns are the norm. That kind of sleep is great, but not matter at a contest.

Your comment was about comp cooking, not the need for a 20 hour burn.

My comment was not about cooking it was about getting some shut eye.I have a couple of buddies that cook on a klose and they are stoking it every 1.5 to 2 hours. They turn out some good grub but are dragging a$$ in the morning.To each his own I like verticals and you like klose.

Sawdustguy · Sep 14, 2007

Jeff Hughes said:
I bet he gets up every few hour and checks his pit. It is not unheard of to blow a fuse or a breaker, or for a control panel to go out. I have a lot of friends that cook on FECs, they all check their cookers more than every eight hours.

I never said I stay up all night checking my pit, if you read my post you would see that my point was that I don't have to.

I don't check mine either Jeff.

Jeff Hughes · Sep 14, 2007

we'll smoke u said:
My comment was not about cooking it was about getting some shut eye.I have a couple of buddies that cook on a klose and they are stoking it every 1.5 to 2 hours. They turn out some good grub but are dragging a$$ in the morning.To each his own I like verticals and you like klose.

My only point is that stick burners do not have to stay up all night either.

If your buddies bought a charcoal basket, they could get some sleep like you guys with other pit designs.

Jeff Hughes · Sep 14, 2007

Sawdustguy said:
I don't check mine either Jeff.

That's cool, risky in my eyes no matter what cooker you have, but totally cool.

MilitantSquatter · Sep 14, 2007

Mod Note - Moved dissussion on sleep at contests/pit preference from other thread by The Giggler regarding brands of trailers for contests...

Ron_L · Sep 14, 2007

I was wondering why it seemed to start in the middle of a conversation :-D

With the reverse flow offset that Bob (mrb1986) built we can run two hours easiiy before it needs tending (Actually longer, but why take a chance). We sleep in shifts. With three of us at a comp each can get 4 hours easily.

Smokin' Gnome BBQ · Sep 14, 2007

I am currently working with another BRETHEREN to make me a couple of baskets for both my uprights and my verticals.Is this a case of size does matter? more fuel holding = more sleep? Me , I guru so it helps, but you still need a large enough "gas tank"! My veritcals have a smaller cooking area(yours may not) and makes cooking a packer brisket hard to fit. I guess what I am tring to say is...as with all things in life are not there pro's and cons????good luck and let me know what a little guy can do to hang with the big dogs and get a good cat nap!!!!!

Jeff Hughes · Sep 14, 2007

Smokin' Gnome BBQ said:
I am currently working with another BRETHEREN to make me a couple of baskets for both my uprights and my verticals.Is this a case of size does matter? more fuel holding = more sleep? Me , I guru so it helps, but you still need a large enough "gas tank"! My veritcals have a smaller cooking area(yours may not) and makes cooking a packer brisket hard to fit. I guess what I am tring to say is...as with all things in life are not there pro's and cons????good luck and let me know what a little guy can do to hang with the big dogs and get a good cat nap!!!!!

A charcoal basket allows for a "Minion Method" type of burn.

I'm not a Guru guy and I know nothing of your cookers, but I bet a good basket and the Guru would greatly increase you sleep hours.

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