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There have been plenty of folks on this forum that used square fire baskets. I'm sure it'll be fine.

Greetings Bretheren,
Don't really have a smoking culture over in Europe (I'm living in UK but originally from Ireland), definitely want to make a UDS.
There are quite a few folks on this site from the UK as the one above this reply.
A few q's.
1) Would having an access door for the fire basket take away from the consistency of the smoker? Without an access door, do you have to remove the food in order to refill the fire basket (assuming you had to adjust temperature etc.) Any links to tutorials which include an access door would be great.
I was also thinking about a pull out drawer at the bottom of the Drum for ease of cleaning. Maybe I'm over thinking this.
Don't do it. :) The greatest feature of a UDS is the excellent air control. If you put a big pile of coals in the fire basket, you can run it for some 20+ hours. I've done some into 24 hours. Yes, when you need to refill it, you just lift all the grates out, add more coals, wait a bit for the ash to settle, and put it all back. So if you didn't add enough or you're going for on-going smokes, that's what you do. I would think that would be a rare event. To clean, flip the drum upside down and dump the stuff out. Using some ash pan will reduce how often you have to do that.
Because of the great air control, you can put a big pile of coals and only a handful of already lit coals on top, and then allow the coals to slowly start burning the unlit coals for the rest of the cook. Some times high winds or other conditions may cause it to burn faster than expected. But as I mentioned, I deal with taking everything out and adding more if necessary.

That is why, by the way, I actually make "feet" on my grill grates to essentially turn them all into little tables. They stack on top of each other in the smoker, and when removing they can just sit on the ground without having the food touch the ground. This makes it very quick and easy to lift and re-arrange the food in and out of the smoker.
2) I work for a Food ingredients company, so i'm sure I can come across a few 55gallon drums, are there any of these that wouldn't need to be burned out etc. I'd imagine the drums I could get a hold of would of contained various oils (veg/pam etc) - it just seems like it would be a lot less hassle not to have to burn off the inside of the drum, sand it etc.
If at all possible, get a drum without the liner. It is a lot of work to remove it. But if that's all you got, that's what you do. Other stuff is much easier to burn out. Clean with some dish soap before the burn. After the high heat burn, let it cool and spray or rub cooking oil all over inside and then do another burn but not crazy hot, just to get the smoker hot to the touch for some hour or so.
3) Could somebody explain to me what exactly the water pan some people have been talking about, where does it go? What does it do?
The water pan would go between the heat source and the food. The purpose is to evaporate it and add moisture to the food. In a vertical style smoker that is small (like the Weber Smokey models) it's more necessary. The typical 55 gallon UDS drum doesn't need it for moisture reasons. If you smoke in a humid climate you probably won't need it. I never use it. However, I do often (not always) use something to diffuse some of that direct heat. Though using something that will allow the meat juices and fat to drip into the fire are key when using a UDS. That's another special bonus where the drippings add moisture and aroma to the food.
 
The water pan IMHO is a heat sink, but some people use sand in them instead of water. Just from first hand impressions I am thinking the diffuser or moderator in a UDS may be worthy of more thought when you use a temperature controller like the auber...you have more quick little blasts of heat going on and maybe more radiant heat because of that ?


Bill
 
Charcoal Basket

Here is a pic of my basket setup. It is 10"x15" expanded. The grill grate is 3" from the bottom making my actual basket size 7"x15". I have a cheap Wal Mart pizza pan welded to the bottom of the expanded and it is elevated from the bottom of the drum by approx 1.5" byt the 3 bolts.
Hope this helps.

Why elevate the ash pan ... The coal basket is really (if i understand correctly) the only thing that needs to be elevated.

Scroll down the page and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43943&page=6
 
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Thanks for the advice. Most baskets in the UK are metal. Tesco have a 'free' supply! I think I'm going to give it a go. I have a pizza pan for an ash tray. The feet setup was exactly what I was going to go for.

I was hoping that the rectangular shape wouldn't have much of an effect, considering the food will be 24" away from the base of the fire.

Anyone else have an opinion on this point?

I have a square basket 15"x15"x15" high and it works great.
 
Cut out

I just did that to help get the ash and scraps out of the basket/pan easier. I am using the expanded as the legs for the basket to the pan and i just thought it might make it tougher to clean if it was completely enclosed. No other reason than that lol.

Coach, what is cutout section for in the expanded metal?
 
You want the ash pan to sit off the floor of the drum so more heat radiates up instead of into the base of the drum. What I've read and if you think about it, it does makes sense. It's already built like that anyway. I'm going to do a test burn in a few minutes. I may or may not cut an inch off the feet depending on how things go. I'm also waiting on my dome thermometer but will just be using a candy thermometer today.


So as I understand it, you are creating an air gap under the ash tray thus decreasing the distance between the coal basket and ash tray if you are trying to maintain the 23 to 24 in distance to the grill (which should be 7 to 8 in below the lip) . Are you also raising the grill? I would think that when the ashes build up in the tray that would be sufficient insulation.
 
I have 2 grates. Both work & that 24 is from bottom of basket (char) plus you have to alow space for meat on second . Think mine is down 9in from top of barrel maybe more like 10.
 
Little by little my UDS is coming together (pics will follow ). Have the intake holes drilled and 3/4 pipe nipples inserted. Charcoal basket is built. Used #9 X 3/4 EM and even for the bottom...This is a no weld build so the basket bottom was attached with SS hose clamps and SS zip ties. Feet for basket are 3 1/2 in 7/16th bolts (not SS) but i hit them with my rosebud... so much for the coating. 18" EC table top grill for ash pan.

Just chugging along like I knew what I was doing.

Later
Jim
 
Four UDS's in action at our town's Summerfest, 200lbs of butts for PP sandwiches.. it was great!
 

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So as I understand it, you are creating an air gap under the ash tray thus decreasing the distance between the coal basket and ash tray if you are trying to maintain the 23 to 24 in distance to the grill (which should be 7 to 8 in below the lip) . Are you also raising the grill? I would think that when the ashes build up in the tray that would be sufficient insulation.

Hey Peddler,

The fire basket and the ash pan are raised. The ash pan sits up 2" above the drum with the feet and the basket is raised about 2". I have 22 1/2" between the two surfaces. I'm going to cook some food in a couple of days and try it out. I threw 5lbs of Kingsfords in there yesterday to season it and played around with the controls. I got about 5 hours out of 5 Lbs. of fuel.

Sparky
 
Length or girth

First of all I'm halfway through this thread and soaking up all the info like a sponge. Just got ally supplies for a down and dirty no frills UDS with a straight forward build based of Norcos design. It's an honor to be a part of this.

Just want to gather some opinions. I bought a sheet of 24x24 expando from HD and there are two ways to build this.

Cut it in half and use a 18in coal grate with a 13.5in diameter and have a basket that's 13.5in wide and 12 in tall (long and thin)

or

Cut it into three and use a 22.5in coal grate with a 17in diameter and have a basket that's 17in wide and 8in tall (short and fat)

The way I see it shorter may be better because it's further from the cooking grates.


So after that long winded explanation here is my question.

UDS BBQ Brethren I ask this when it comes to UDS charcoal basket what's better...... Length or Girth?



P.S Is there a diploma that comes with reading this entire thread?
 
First of all I would like to say its an honor to post in this amazing thread. I am halfway through and soaking up all the info in here like a sponge. I have all my supples and am getting ready to build my first UDS and am sticking to KISS and following the standard Norco design for some tried and true results.

I bought a sheet of 24x24 3/4" expando from HD for my no weld charcoal basket and as I see it I have 2 options:

1.) Cut it in half and use a 18in coal grate - basket thats 12in tall and has a 13.5 in diameter

or

2.) Cut it into thee pieces and use a 22.5in coal grate - basket thats 8in tall and has a 17.5in diameter

So brethren I ask you this when it comes to charcoal baskets for UDS what's better....length or girth?

I'm assuming a wider basket is better because its further from the fire, but then again I wanted to ask those who have built and have real world answers.

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this amazing thread so that people like myself can build something that works on the first try and not have to worth through trial and error.

P.S. Do this thread come with a diploma or some from of certificate of completion when I have finished reading it?
 
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First of all I would like to say its an honor to post in this amazing thread. I am halfway through and soaking up all the info in here like a sponge. I have all my supples and am getting ready to build my first UDS and am sticking to KISS and following the standard Norco design for some tried and true results.

I bought a sheet of 24x24 3/4" expando from HD for my no weld charcoal basket and as I see it I have 2 options:

1.) Cut it in half and use a 18in coal grate - basket thats 12in tall and has a 13.5 in diameter

or

2.) Cut it into thee pieces and use a 22.5in coal grate - basket thats 8in tall and has a 17.5in diameter

So brethren I ask you this when it comes to charcoal baskets for UDS what's better....length or girth?

I'm assuming a wider basket is better because its further from the fire, but then again I wanted to ask those who have built and have real world answers.

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this amazing thread so that people like myself can build something that works on the first try and not have to worth through trial and error.

P.S. Do this thread come with a diploma or some from of certificate of completion when I have finished reading it?

I bought (2) 24x12 sections, and made the 48 (minus a bit due to overlap) circumference basket 12" high, and have been perfectly happy with it. I used the grate from two cheap grills for the base, the basket was smaller than the grate dia but that matters not. I'd guess with overlap I must have about 15" dia ?

I have went past 12 hours easily with RO lump....and not even clear full at that, I have never used a full bag of lump yet that I recall ? And usually there is a decent amount leftover.

Bill
 
First of all I would like to say its an honor to post in this amazing thread. I am halfway through and soaking up all the info in here like a sponge. I have all my supples and am getting ready to build my first UDS and am sticking to KISS and following the standard Norco design for some tried and true results.

I bought a sheet of 24x24 3/4" expando from HD for my no weld charcoal basket and as I see it I have 2 options:

1.) Cut it in half and use a 18in coal grate - basket thats 12in tall and has a 13.5 in diameter

or

2.) Cut it into thee pieces and use a 22.5in coal grate - basket thats 8in tall and has a 17.5in diameter

So brethren I ask you this when it comes to charcoal baskets for UDS what's better....length or girth?

I'm assuming a wider basket is better because its further from the fire, but then again I wanted to ask those who have built and have real world answers.

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this amazing thread so that people like myself can build something that works on the first try and not have to worth through trial and error.

P.S. Do this thread come with a diploma or some from of certificate of completion when I have finished reading it?

No diploma, just the satisfaction of building yourself a great smoker :clap:
 
for a 3/4 inch nipple, ......ummmm 3/4 inch drill bit?? :-D You gotta understand whos talking here, I'm "mechanically" disabled"!
I actually had all 4 1/2 inchers, but now I have one 3/4 inch nipple, why? cause the hole I drilled became too big after I filed it down!!:eek: I tell all my buddies its all in the design plan, and its critical to have that one 3/4 inch nipple!:-D
Not sure if this has been answered yet, because I've only got this far on this HUGE thread. But if using 3/4" nipples which have an ID of 3/4" you need to use an 1 1/8" hole saw or unibit (step bit) for the OD. Hawaii...AWESOME! Aloha Keale.
 
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