Trimmed pork collars

swamprb said:

Anyone else notice SRF is still selling 4lb Pork Collars?

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Nothing wrong with that. But if a cook uses one in KCBS that's a problem for them. They are cheating and if it's discovered then it's a 2 year ban on competition at a minimum. Not worth the risk.

So when do you all think they will want to come around and weight the pork before it goes onto the pit? maybe they should start tagging the pork and have a representative come around before turn in and make sure that is what is being turned in?

Dustaway said:

So when do you all think they will want to come around and weight the pork before it goes onto the pit? maybe they should start tagging the pork and have a representative come around before turn in and make sure that is what is being turned in?

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I've had that conversation with people in the last couple of weeks. If you do it for pork are you going to do it for the other categories? How long will it take to tag the 36 chicken thighs some people choose to cook? What do you think the 'tag fee' would end up being? Will we go to different turn in windows for different teams the way some 'tagged contests' are run?

It's a solution, but it's a complicated one to implement.

Jorge said:

I've had that conversation with people in the last couple of weeks. If you do it for pork are you going to do it for the other categories? How long will it take to tag the 36 chicken thighs some people choose to cook? What do you think the 'tag fee' would end up being? Will we go to different turn in windows for different teams the way some 'tagged contests' are run?

It's a solution, but it's a complicated one to implement.

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It just depends on how far everyone is willing to go I believe a simple and more effective solution would be that they hire guy's like you to go around and police every team and if violators are found then before awards we line the perps up and execute them and grade your marksmanship skills......

The Grocer advertises Boneless Pork Butt......

swamprb said:

Check out this weekly advertisement:

http://www.uwajimaya.com/weeklyspecials.html

Center cut Kurobata Pork Butt $5.99 lb.

I know of 60 cases of Boneless Pork Butt Collar Trim that is destined for Hot Pots in the Seattle area this week!

Wonder how they label it if you were to ask for the whole Butt? 5 pounds please!

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Joe Average walks into the Meat Dept. of his Asian or Hispanic Market and asks for a 5lb Boneless Pork Butt that is the advertised special of the week, shows up at a comp and tell me again WTF the KCBS Reps are going to do????

Give me a break!

Somehow, it doesn't seem like it's been Joe Average that's been having trouble complying with the rules.

Nevertheless, it is incumbent on each cook to be aware of the rules and advisories, and comply accordingly.

swamprb said:

Joe Average walks into the Meat Dept. of his Asian or Hispanic Market and asks for a 5lb Boneless Pork Butt that is the advertised special of the week, shows up at a comp and tell me again WTF the KCBS Reps are going to do????

Give me a break!

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I guess I'm missing your point. What is it, and what is your proposed solution?

I'll wait to read the Rep Advisory to see if it reflects what I heard from the BoD meeting.

Based on your question....if the Rep recognizes that somebody has shown up with a cut that isn't legal they won't approve it. Next question?:redface::becky:

I have never had a "rep" inspect my meat. It is always someone from the organizer. Some times when I arrive and have the meat inspected, the rep is no where to be seen. Just saying, this will prove almost impossible to police and enforce. I still think it is up the the integrity of the cooks and it they don't have any, then they will do what ever they think is necessary to win.

Christ, the easy way around it is go to Sam's, buy a double pack of cryovac pork butts and have them inspected all season. As long as you keep them cold, they won't grow much mold and the cryovac will keep the odor intact. Keep your real item somewhere else. It really is that simple to cheat. I might recommend that at the end of the season, dispose of the meat at a toxic waste facility:laugh:

Scottie said:

Exactly why folks use it for slicing... Plus the white meat (loin) it surrounded by darkmeat as well. So you get the best of both worlds. White loin meat, surrounded by dark meat and fat...

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Sounds like a killer Money Muscle to me...and for those folks that do combo boxes...a possible advantage in taste and texture (which...I think...is the reason for this discussion)...

Jorge said:

I guess I'm missing your point. What is it, and what is your proposed solution?

I'll wait to read the Rep Advisory to see if it reflects what I heard from the BoD meeting.

Based on your question....if the Rep recognizes that somebody has shown up with a cut that isn't legal they won't approve it. Next question?:redface::becky:

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All that I am trying to get across is that around here, they are being sold as Boneless Korobuta Pork Butts.

I have no solution, I'm a consumer, they were offered to me as Boneless Butts to try, and I made sure they weighed 5lbs or more.

As a competitor, I feel I followed the rules at the time. Unlike those that ordered 4lb. Pork Collars from Snake River Farms.

At the time I figured they were Money muscle meat trimmed out. My butcher calls them CT Butts or close trim Butts, he never referred to them as Pork Collars, I just happened to see a packing carton from a slaughterhouse out of Iowa that said Boneless Pork Butt Collar Trim on the labels.

I'll never again them use them in a comp, and I admit I probably can't cook one for slicing that would be moist enough worth turning in anyway.

....now about that list of top teams??......

**Not a US cut??**





#407 cut from the shoulder



Product of USA




Awaiting shipment for an advertised Weekly Special as Boneless Pork Butt at a local market.



Just sayin'.....

roksmith said:

It seems to be terminology that folks don't like. A 407 cut should be fine not matter what the label says on it. Cellar trim, collar trim, center trim. I'd be willing to bet all 3 terms might be used interchangably by some butchers.

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And probably more with the Niche or Heritage breeds.

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Excerpt from the KCBS Board Meeting Quick Notes...

Pork Collar Issue: Motion by Don Harwell that the board defines a boston butt, picnic or whole shoulder as defined by the National Pork Board which does not include the pork collar. Seconded by Paul Kirk, the vote was unanimous; motion passed.

roksmith said:

Did you even read my post, or did you just have that reply handy for anything that showed up in this thread?

Nobody is questioning the Pork Collar ruling.. it's illegal.. we all know it.. whether is should be is like arguing the pot should be legal. Doesn't matter..it isn't.

My question was regarding the promised article that has now shown up in the MArch Bull Sheet in which the following cuts are listed as cuts we can all order 403, 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407.

My question is.. Are they all legal?
By the wording in the article, I would think so, but.....

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Can I ask a stupid question? By no means am I trying to push this issue.

The board has ruled and I t think it is pretty clear their ruling... If not, go listen to the MP3. But why are you pushing this issue? I don't get it.

Thanks,